There is no “nationalism” essential to Christianity, Hitler’s Germany is the antithesis of Christianity.

But again, I get it. You don’t seem to like religion and you think it infects our politics too much.

See, I can agree with you that religion should be kept out of government policy. So we could agree on many things you might want to make policy (like maybe no teaching Bible in public school without teaching about all world religions, and no teaching Intelligent Design in science class - maybe in a philosophy class discussion about Aristotle…)

And I agree history is crap these days (but I blame wokeness for that). And I agree the education system is full of issues to work out. It would take a long history and discussion to address all you’ve raised.

But a discussion like that, with a motif and theme of all the ways Christians qua Christians have hurt the world with someone who doesn’t seem to see the vastly greater goods many people have done, in their attempts to be more like Christ - seems unproductive to do like this, or on this thread. — Fire Ologist

I am glad you could do such a fine job of raising awareness of the good things Christians have done. However, I have heard Catholics are not Christians. For me, that judgment is one of the biggest problems with the whole Christian mess. Christians seem to disagree with each other even more than they disagree with Jews and Muslims about who knows God's truth and who does not. These three religions have the same fundamental stories. Those are pagan stories and beliefs adjusted to different cultures. I do not understand how people can continue to live in those ancient stories when it is so obvious a God did not make us of mud and then leave us in a Garden of Eden with magical trees. It is also a fact that both the Garden of Eden and the Flood stories were Sumerian stories of creation and the flood. These beliefs are not supported by logic when people are working with a scientific explanation of life. How can we have good judgment when we are living with a false understanding of how we came to be?

However, I very much like the Catholic men who were the presidents of the U S or tried to be. I would love to take us all back in history to when Kucinich ran against Bush, and then take us down the path Kucinich, a Catholic, would have followed. He was strongly opposed to the Neocons' efforts to take military control of the Middle East, the Bush and Cheney "New Century American Project" that was a disaster, with Christians cheering for our war against "evil" and being thrilled by the US Shock and Awe attack on Iraq. As though this war game were equal to a football game.

You really do not know enough about what I think to judge if I am speaking about religion or politics. I see the good Christians as ignorant of their enemies, and that they are a threat to the world because their beliefs are not separate from their political judgment. THEY GO TO WAR COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY IGNORANT OF THEIR "ENEMY" AND DO SO IN THE NAME OF GOD AND BELIEF ABOUT EVIL. I hate the reality Bush and Cheney gave us; instead of a world of peace, Kucinich would have given us. Today, it is almost impossible to find any mention of Kucinich. It is as though those in control of what is on the internet have an agenda to disappear this man.

If you agree that religion should be kept out of political matters, and what nations we attempt to control with military force, why don't you see the Christian Nationalism? The evangelicals and men like Billy Graham have played a strong role in creating our story of who is the "evil" and our enemy, and who we must defend or ignore. I can not use AI to raise awareness of "proof of Christian Nationalism", but people can Google for the explanation of why it threatens our democracy and the world. Since the beginning of the US, the citizens have believed it is God's will that they control the political decisions, including wars. The Civil War was really nasty, as both sides believed God was on their side and they were doing the will of God to kill those "evil people" who opposed God's will. I want you to think about this- how do humans know God's will?

Yeah, Lincoln had "In God we trust" inscribed on pennies, taking advantage of religion to win the war against the South. Much later, Billy Graham advanced the power of Evangelicals by once again equating our government and Christianity as the same thing- a war against evil, uniting the US against those godless communists. Creating those godless Russians as the "evil" our God fearing country must oppose.

If the Bible were not Hebrew propaganda, and later Christian propaganda, and then the bases for Muslim propaganda, and the citizens of the US were not such stooges, we might have a better world and not the racist struggle we still have, with these "dark skinned people cursed by God", and not be all tied up with Woke following a long history of persecuting homosexual people.

How can God forgive people who believe they are God's favored people, and who take no responsibility for the wrongs done to "those people"? Christians are not the only human beings with viable spiritual and moral systems. And the democracy of the US is not based on the Bible, a book about kings and slaves, and God's promise to give people the hierarchy of rulers that humans require because they are born in sin. You know that evil spiritual ether in the air that somehow ties us to Satan and demons. Thank goodness we are not superstitions, right? But we have to do something about "those evil people".

When bad things happen, is it God punishing us, or Satan, or is it our own evilness that causes this wrong?

Don't be a whinny bitch. You're welcome. :lol: — praxis

That is pretty sexist comment. :gasp: And it has no intellectual appeal.

Sorry, I was in an emotional frenzy.

Sorry, I was in an emotional frenzy. — praxis

:lol: I can relate to that.