Evidence of the breakup in the bromance?

Definitely evidence of collusion between Epstein and others.

It’s crazy to think he was influencing congressional investigations into president Trump through party apparatchiks, literally feeding them talking points. We can watch it happen live. What other ones did he have his dirty hands in? Whatever it is, that’s a romance of an insidious kind.

The house and senate voted to release the so-called Epstein files. I hope we’ll see some good stuff.

Democrat Stacey Plaskett avoided censure for being Epstein’s finger-puppet during an anti-Trump congressional investigation, and will retain her position on the intel committee.

It will all be a democratic conspiracy.

Looks like the "Grand Jury" in the Comey case was actually a grand two people.

At least now, I guess Trump's DOJ has had enough time to destroy all the worst things for Trump in the files.

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Well, Axios has released Trump's "peace plan" for Ukraine. It's even worse than the surrender to the Taliban, which is now I guess the low point of American diplomacy.

From the proposal:

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

And notice that article 3. isn't about Ukraine, because there's articles 7. and 8:

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

So basically this is a wet dream for Putin. Trump will emasculate the strongest alliance that the US has had ...and Putin will also get Ukraine. This is at least on par (if not worse) than the surrender deal that Trump made with the Taleban (and it should be noted, Biden carried out to the end dutifully).

Why this thread is more apt to review this whimsical action from Trump than the Ukraine thread is that likely (and hopefully) this surrender purposal won't go anywhere.

What an incredible surrender monkey Trump is.

Putin will not get Ukraine. The EU gets Ukraine.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

In fact, if Russia invades again, they face destruction at the hands of NATO and the US.

10. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked;

No matter. If this deal goes through, invasion would be illegal according to Russia’s own laws.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

I suspect that warmongers don’t like the deal because they’ve wasted so much time, money, and human bodies for essentially nothing. I further suspect that the end of this war will mean the final nail in the neoconservative coffin, and the obsolescence of their belligerent alliances.

(and it should be noted, Biden carried out to the end dutifully)

That’s simply untrue. He violated the agreement. The Biden administration said the U.S. would not withdraw the remaining soldiers by May 1st, the date which all parties agreed upon, but would withdraw them by September 11 (a purely symbolic form of deceit). His hubris led directly to the death of US soldiers and the loss of billions and billions and billions in military assets, none of which would have been there had Biden abided by the agreement.

In fact, if Russia invades again, they face destruction at the hands of NATO and the US.

10. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked; — NOS4A2

What bullshit is this "decisive coordinated military response", when a) you cannot train for this and Ukraine cannot be a member or anybody else (like Ireland etc.) cannot join NATO? The emasculation of NATO and Ukraine-NATO ties makes this totally ludicrous statement. Who the fuck will defend Ukraine, when NATO cannot be in Ukraine?

No matter. If this deal goes through, invasion would be illegal according to Russia’s own laws.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine. — NOS4A2

HAHAHAA!!! :rofl:

Wait... :brow:

...you are serious??? :worry:

You really believe the country lead by Putin, that has several times, actually, put into writing that it didn't have ANY territorial claims toward Ukraine or Crimea, to have no aggression towards other "artificial" countries like Ukraine? And then there were ALL the Minsk agreements. How much Putin valued those? What horseshit do you believe in???

Above all, read your history: Russia never attacks, it only defends itself. According to Soviet Union, my little country attacked the Soviet Union in 1939, just as the Baltic States wanted to join the Soviet Union in 1940. So the can easily have a hypocrite law that argues they won't attack anybody. Incredible garbage.

And do notice, this is just like Trump surrender deal with the Taliban. That peace-deal also said that:

4. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan
dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date
and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation
mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future
political roadmap of Afghanistan.

Which the Taleban cared shit about. They didn't even pretend to have talks with Republic of Afghanistan. Did Trump (or Biden) care about that? Of course not. But do notice the evident Trumpian issue on both of the peace-deals. Then in 2020 Trump announced the following in the Taleban surrender-deal:

A comprehensive peace agreement is made of four parts:

1. Guarantees and enforcement mechanisms that will prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by
any group or individual against the security of the United States and its allies.
2. Guarantees, enforcement mechanisms, and announcement of a timeline for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan.

Did he bring up this with the foreign forces, that by 2020 were by manpower a larger force than the US personnel on ground? Of course not! It was just a surprise for them... just like this brainfart. And the same thing is here, where Trump is just demanding actions not only from Ukraine, but European countries too.

South Vietnam, Afghanistan... seems next in line is Ukraine for the US. Or Trump is basically hellbent on Ukraine to be in that category.

Hopefully our leaders keep their calm and handle this as one of those Trump stupidities that comes out from the current White House like the US annexing Greenland and Canada. Trump seems to desperately want that Nobel-prize and one can just imagine what fortunes have the Russians promised to Trump.

Or they promised not to show the photos of Trump blowing Bubba.

Say what you will about Mamdani. but he must a world class ass kisser.

Say what you will about Mamdani. but he must a world class ass kisser. — Wayfarer

Why? Nearly everyone Trump talks to face to face he changes his tune about, even after long online tirades.

My guess here is that you’re one of those who think Mamdani is too “far left” and a gift to the Republicans and can’t possibly accomplish any of his proposals, etc., and that’s skewing your perception.

Otherwise, I don’t see anything out of the ordinary. I’m sure he was respectful, and in return so was Trump.

I think Trump backed down, he really didn’t want to start a war between Washington and New York. He would have lost.

What bullshit is this "decisive coordinated military response", when a) you cannot train for this and Ukraine cannot be a member or anybody else (like Ireland etc.) cannot join NATO? The emasculation of NATO and Ukraine-NATO ties makes this totally ludicrous statement. Who the fuck will defend Ukraine, when NATO cannot be in Ukraine?

“The United States affirms that a significant, deliberate, and sustained armed attack by the Russian Federation across the agreed armistice line into Ukrainian territory shall be regarded as an attack threatening the peace and security of the transatlantic community….

… NATO members, including France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Poland, and Finland, affirm that Ukraine's security is integral to European stability and commit to act in concert with the United States in responding to any qualifying violation, ensuring a unified and credible deterrent posture.”

https://archive.ph/S58Vt

NATO was never masculine. They can hardly move tanks between each other’s countries. Beyond serving as a symbol of American posturing in Europe, the only battles they’ve ever had in their 75 year history was against some pirates. You think they’re going to run in and save the day? Delusional.

Read your history. The Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore. The Cold War is over.

At any rate, I can’t wait to watch the EU bring out their counterproposal, which will invariably lead to WW3.

NATO was never masculine. They can hardly move tanks between each other’s countries. — NOS4A2

Absolute nonsense. NATO passed with flying colors the role it had during the Cold War of creating a credible deterrence. Hardly can move tanks? LOL.

How about those Reforger exercises? Reforger 88 had about 125 000 men, all deployed to Germany from the US, France, Canada, UK, Denmark. The whole objective of the annual Reforger exercises was the moving of tanks into West Germany. And NATO is finally getting back to it's original role (thank God). Some countries unfortunately ran down their militaries (the 90's peace dividend), luckily that stupidity didn't reach my country. But that era has passed.

At any rate, I can’t wait to watch the EU bring out their counterproposal, which will invariably lead to WW3. — NOS4A2

You don't know or care about what the response is, which is obvious from referring to the EU, not the group actually active in the issue.

Anyway, many think that this peace-deal that Axios published was an intentional move by the Russians to humiliate Trump and harass Ukraine. Naturally Trump doesn't notice, but anyway, who cares. I think this will pass as an example how Trump caves in always to get a peace deal.

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Well, I hope the country you are living in chooses to have Swedish Gripens, just like Ukraine. One absolutely cannot trust Trump and as Americans have now twice voted Trump into power, with the US there is a risk, unfortunately, of it being an untrustworthy ally/weapons provider... when the customer isn't Israel. So I think my country is taking a little risk when choosing the F-35. Not a huge risk, but still.

(CBC, Nov 21st 2025) The Liberal government is reviewing whether to proceed with a full order of 88 F-35 fighters from U.S.-based Lockheed Martin. It has been suggested that Canada could accept the first batch of 16 stealth jets and then pivot to filling out the rest of the order with Saab Gripens — or some other aircraft.