The base and dirty act of sex is totally opposed to the wholesome product of producing a child

unimportant

I was thinking about this lately in how comical it is how the world is made like that.

Sex is like a dirty thing. I am not talking about morals or culturally. Maybe it has something to do with it but I doubt any but the most liberated would be open to having sex in front of anyone. It is like someone watching you defecate. We know people do it, but we don't want to personally watch them - well in the form of porn yes which is what made me think of it.

Porn is totally divorced from the idea of producing babies, yet the act of sex is meant to make them. How weird is that?

Even 'vanilla' sex that leads to climax is an animalistic type of thing and the baby emerges down the line somewhere.

For 'square' type of people I wonder how they ever 'do the do' and actually have sex. I think of very reserved Brits such as Richard Dawkins, or just the idea of the 'stiff upper lip' Brit in general and think 'how did they ever manage to loosen up enough to have sex?' I think of them just being like the old cliche of 'lay back and think of England' where sex is a necessary evil that they must get over and done with to get to the important outcome of bearing progeny.

The idea of bringing up a child on the other hand is the most saccharin sweet idea in society.

I just find it so funny how the world is designed like that, where a 'loving couple' can be respected and all the family supports their union and you know they are doing 'the nasty'.

AmadeusD

I'm not quite sure this warranted a thread, but, perhaps showing my hand, you are vastly underestimating hte liberality of people in general about sex. You more than likely have friends who are absolute freaks, swingers, kinksters etc... but they respect you and so do not intrude on your lifestyle with theirs. A huge number of people are in this position.

L'éléphant

I'm not quite sure this warranted a thread, but, perhaps showing my hand, you are vastly underestimating hte liberality of people in general about sex. You more than likely have friends who are absolute freaks, swingers, kinksters etc... but they respect you and so do not intrude on your lifestyle with theirs. A huge number of people are in this position. — AmadeusD

:sweat: lol.

For 'square' type of people I wonder how they ever 'do the do' and actually have sex. I think of very reserved Brits such as Richard Dawkins, or just the idea of the 'stiff upper lip' Brit in general and think 'how did they ever manage to loosen up enough to have sex?' — unimportant

Believe me, there are uptight introverts whose sex acts match their own personality. Are you a quiet personality and don't interact much? Then the way you are in bed with another person would mirror that.

Tzeentch

I don't think sex is dirty, but instead is (or ought to be) an intimate act - just like taking a dump, or sobbing hysterically, etc. - it doesn't belong in the public space.

Leontiskos

↪unimportant

You are basically claiming that there is an incommensurability between the act of sex and the effect of procreation. It's an interesting argument. My suggestion would be that sex is not as irreducibly bestial as it has come to be seen in our culture. In any case, this is another outgrowth of the fact that man is the strange amalgam that lies between the angels and the beasts.

unimportant

incommensurability between the act of sex and the effect of procreation — Leontiskos

Indeed.

Most things are of a like kind to produce more of the same.

Not sure how to articulate, but living a certain kind of way produces more of the same. If someone lives a life of abusing their bodies they can expect results in kind. If someone eats healthy they can expect healthy results.

I suppose what I mean is that sex is nasty by nature, and nasty in a good way, due to being naughty, but babies are like a wholesome thing. It is like a strange alchemy where one base material produces its opposite.

T Clark

This is the saddest, creepiest OP I’ve ever seen on the forum. It’s worse than even Hanover’s true stories.

RogueAI

↪T Clark

I have some of the same thoughts the OP has. But I don't think babies are all that special.

T Clark

I have some of the same thoughts the OP has. But I don't think babies are all that special. — RogueAI

There is a difference between having thoughts and making them public. And babies are very special. The most special things.

Outlander

I had this reply as a saved draft, but originally decided not to post it due to it seeming "spammy" or non-genuine. But in light of @T Clark's scathing analysis I now feel it slightly more appropriate:

Best thread on TPF in years, OP. :up:

T Clark

Best thread on TPF in years, OP. — Outlander

It doesn’t surprise me that’s your opinion.

unimportant

This is the saddest, creepiest OP I’ve ever seen on the forum. It’s worse than even Hanover’s true stories. — T Clark

Best thread on TPF in years, OP. :up: — Outlander

Why turning to base trolling and name calling I would expect on other forums?

T Clark you are the one also made the 'low effort' "get help" response in the very productive Suicide thread that many are enjoying so not going to put much stock in your comment.

I am not saying the OP has the highest intellectual vigour and was rightly placed in The Lounge but there is no need for guttural replies as there it was an honest observation and don't see what is 'creepy' about it. If you want to say it is creepy then say why, as this is a Philosophy forum, not just a little hit and run insult.

Seems your delicate sensibilities are easily offended.

unimportant

But in light of T Clark's scathing analysis — Outlander

Again this bandwagoning is what I see far too much on other forums. As soon as one negative post comes, others seem to get their courage and pile on.

Outlander

Again this bandwagoning is what I see far too much on other forums. As soon as one negative post comes, others seem to get their courage and pile on. — unimportant

To be fair mine was written well in advance. And it was funny. The classic "everything's fine" in a situation where it's clearly not. You have people in this thread who relate to you and validate your premise(s), and you have those who don't. What more do you want? :chin:

Sure, I don't actually think it's the "best thread on TPF" but the fact that some people see that remark as wry humor (that's what it is: gentle, lighthearted absurdity not vindictive mockery or belittlement) addresses a common sentiment that does no good in ignoring or acting like the people (a majority) who hold it are inherently incorrect or out of touch, no?

Though, I do see your point. I withheld that remark not because I thought it was offensive but because it was non-serious. Whereas once a serious (potentially offensive) remark was made, I offered mine so as to lighten the mood with wry humor. This should have made you feel better and more confident in the face of the other person's more serious critique.

The Lounge is supposed to be a lighthearted place. It takes two to tango when it comes to negativity. So perhaps one might ask who it really is who isn't playing fair. :wink:

T Clark

Why turning to base trolling and name calling I would expect on other forums? — unimportant

I don’t consider expressing my distaste for the OP as trolling and there was no name calling. I didn’t say anything about you, I only commented on the OP.

I am not saying the OP has the highest intellectual vigour and was rightly placed in The Lounge but there is no need for guttural replies as there it was an honest observation and don't see what is 'creepy' about it. — unimportant

I found it disgusting and I expressed that feeling. That seems reasonable to me.

Outlander

I found it disgusting and I expressed that feeling. — T Clark

Of course, because it shows what an animal who laps at the bosom of primal lust without any deep meaning really is. His is a scathing commentary on how humanity has failed to evolve. That despite all our machines and pleasantries we still value that which the animals value first and foremost, much like the same.

Some might have the self-respect and dignity to admit, yes, there are faults we have personally that should be exposed so as to result in a better society and state of mankind.

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