• Tzeentch
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    But what about when a creature emerges from the swamp and tries to up end the apple cart. To do away with democracy and the rule of law. To become an authoritarian dictator a stride across the global stage hand in hand with the worst authoritarian leaders on the planet, disregarding the real concerns of true allies and his own people. Does that figure in your analysis, can that change the geopolitical drift?Punshhh

    I hardly factor it into my analysis because it is unlikely to have a significant impact, for three reasons:

    The first is that presidents are temporary phenomena, and Trump is too. In all likelihood the next president will be some perfectly inoffensive, milquetoast figure whose job it will be to gather all the frightened sheep back into the fold in what is essentially a geopolitical game of 'good cop, bad cop'; the play practically writes itself, and the clownshow continues.

    Second, the US is already a pseudo-democracy where the people have little to no influence on the things that actually matter. Never in the last hundred years or so, have I been able detect any meaningful influence of the American public on US long-term strategy.

    Thirdly, even if the US were to turn from a "democracy" to a full-blown authoritarian dictatorship overnight, it is unlikely to meaningfully change US long-term strategy. Such strategies are not selected at leisure, but dictated by the rules and dynamics of power. If the US has any intention of vying for a spot at the top of the pyramid, its strategies, rivals and allies are all but set in stone for the foreseeable future.
  • ssu
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    Never in the last hundred years or so, have I been able detect any meaningful influence of the American public on US long-term strategy.Tzeentch
    Really?

    How about the opposition to the Vietnam war? I think the Domino-theory was a long-term strategy.

    Or the Civil Rights movement? The policy towards blacks in the south was a long-term strategy too.
  • Mikie
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    It’s a realist perspective. Those that are in government are mostly motivated by security and power concerns, as overarching long-term goals. That seems to be the case, especially when looking at something like defense spending, which has only gone up over the years regardless of what the public thinks, and regardless of political party.

    But the public do have influence in the short term, beyond question. I think it’s obvious they have long term effects as well (the very fact that the government has to be more cautious or clandestine is itself an effect), but I guess that’s arguable.
  • AmadeusD
    4k
    Good post.
    I think one slight spanner here is that not only do governments change (thinking long term) somewhat radically (in context - not radical in its normal use) this seems to be due to changing times- i.e the voter base also goes through similar (although, not necessarily aligned) changes. This seems to me a quite clear long-term aspect of the US which will (and seems to have, as you and ssu note) continue to cause those in power to adjust - cynically, i would think.
  • RogueAI
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    That seems to be the case, especially when looking at something like defense spending, which has only gone up over the years regardless of what the public thinks, and regardless of political party.Mikie

    Defense spending, as a share of GDP and of the federal budget, is historically very low right now.
  • ssu
    9.7k
    Correct.

    In fact, payments on the national debt are now larger than the defense expenditure. During the Cold War the spending was far higher.

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  • Punshhh
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    I’m listen to the speech now, he’s lost his mind.
  • Christoffer
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    I’m listen to the speech now, he’s lost his mind.Punshhh

    He never had a mind. He's a mad king and has always been. The only reason we've not seen this is because he had adults around him who slapped him if he misbehaved. Now the bully is roaming free and has his bully friends around him. The population of the US obviously can't do anything to remove him. And if he attacks with violence, if he does something towards allies, well, he's to become an actual enemy and a legitimate target for other nations. If that happens, the US population might want to step aside and let the adults deal with him.
  • Punshhh
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    Yes, I’m expecting the audience to gradually leave the room until he’s standing there on his own.

    He’s just lived up to his nickname of TACO. They just need the men in white coats to come in and lead him away now.
  • BitconnectCarlos
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    It’s a realist perspective.

    One of the first (and best) books I read on foreign policy was Kissinger's Diplomacy. As a writer and intellectual, I hold Kissinger and his theory of foreign policy with great respect. These days, I struggle with realism or neo-realism. It just seems to be the idea that the state - or rather, the people running the state - are primarily concerned with the national interest and how to attain it. Perhaps I am wrong about this. I agree that there is such a thing as the national interest, but to say that politicians consistently grasp it or pursue it is not borne out by history. If humanity isn't really rational, why must we hold to the view that they all of a sudden become rational when they form state bureaucracies and governance structures?

    I get that realism can be a lens with which to view things, but given its lack of interest in internal politics, it shouldn't be the only lens. I would not cling to a lens that routinely dismisses internal politics in favor of international conditions.
  • Mikie
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    $850 billion is the highest it’s ever been. It’s only gone up.

    It’s a ridiculous sum of money. Given our GDP, it should be 1 or 2%, which would still be more than any other country. To argue it’s somehow “lower” is nutty. Look at inflation adjusted spending. To compare to GDP in attempt to make it something other than a monstrosity is absurd.
  • Michael
    16.7k
    I’m listen to the speech now, he’s lost his mind.Punshhh

    Several times he talked about Iceland instead of Greenland. His dementia is showing.
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