That makes no sense. The feeling is the enabling experience otherwise 'love' would not exist at all; empathy is the source of our moral consciousness of others in an external world and what differentiates from a sociopath. The object mirrors the authenticity of our motivation.Singling out an object of love is basically defining a set of conditions. Our feeling may not depend on the object of our affection giving anything in return, but the feeling nevertheless depends on the object remaining true to our limited conception. If it didn't that would only suggest that we're in love with the conception rather than anything in the real world. The feeling also depends on our conception and values remaining relatively constant. — praxis
As I said, unconditional love is symbolic of this experience of giving love.To me, it would make more sense to say that unconditional love has no object or focus, and would be a spiritual sense. — praxis
I was just thinking about how to respond to you and this thought came to me. The thing that makes love unconditional is compassion. — T Clark
I have also been thinking about something that happened to me several years ago. I'm getting old, thinking about death sometimes. Not really afraid, but sorry that I haven't done more with my life. It struck me then - the secret is to be ready when the time comes. If it comes three minutes from now, be ready not to hold on to life, but to let go. Have your bags packed. At the same time I was dealing with emotional issues with a good friend. Again I was struck - love is the same as life. I guess Joni Mitchell was right. With love, you have to be ready to let go now. You have to pack your bags now. I don't mean letting go of the love, I mean letting go of hopes. — T Clark
That makes no sense. The feeling is the enabling experience otherwise 'love' would not exist at all — TimeLine
So, let's start with love as conditional. What are the conditions in which love occurs in our experience? — Noble Dust
But surely the fact that they're your biological children only matters conceptually, and not actually. As something like 12% of fathers are raising children that they only think are biologically theirs — Wosret
it compels the genuine experience of love. — TimeLine
no matter what. — Janus
The examples you gave of purported conditions that unconditional love is subject to, such as the condition that it must not be conditional, or the condition that the one loved is a son or daughter, a male or female and so on, are red herrings. — Janus
no matter how badly they treat you — Janus
Is a condition. — John Days
No, they are actual conditions — John Days
Is a condition. If the condition is not met (i.e. you stop loving them because they treat you badly) then the love is not love any more — John Days
Lets say a parent has a grown child with some kind of dangerous drug addiction, and the child keeps coming back to the parent to borrow money. At some point the parent will say, "I won't give you money anymore because doing so is only hurting you" and the child responds, "don't you love me unconditionally?" and he would be right. If there really was no condition to the love, then the parent would continue giving the money. — John Days
What separates love from something like indifference or manipulation? — John Days
Other conditions for love include a willingness to forgive, kindness, patience, and, as is the case with the concept of "tough love", it also includes justice. If we practice injustice toward one another, it cannot be said that we love them. — John Days
"Unconditional" doesn't mean the same thing; within the context of love (via Christianity) the concept means a love that doesn't waver under any circumstance. — Noble Dust
What if your loved one asks you to shoot them, for example? — Janus
So, does unconditional love mean what you say it means or how people use it? — Benkei
it isn't virtuous to give everything and be repeatedly abused for it. That can only breed unhealthy relationships, and resentment. — Wosret
A person that does this is of higher moral virtue, and this in itself defeats the principle. — Wosret
I expect from others what I expect from myself, and expect from myself what I expect from others. — Wosret
If I wish to feel superior to everyone, and resent everyone, then this is certainly a vehicle to that. — Wosret
"Worth" is actually inappropriate; — Noble Dust
if a parent is compassionate toward their children with the consciously pursued intention that the children will be there for the parent when he/she is old, this is a condition-based love and is not the real thing. — javra
That's the positive side to how love is different from indifference or manipulation. — Noble Dust
A person who manipulates the basic desire for love is someone who can sense basic emotional instincts and plays to those instincts, without regard for the actual individuality or well-being of the person they're exploiting. — Noble Dust
you say that "a willingness to forgive, kindness, patience, [...] 'tough love'" are conditions of love? Or are you just saying that other people here said they were? — Noble Dust
In any case, I'll respond with my own opinion. Yes, forgiveness, kindness, patience, and justice are just a few of the "conditions" of love. — Noble Dust
But these "conditions" are different than the "conditions" that define love as either "conditional" or "unconditional". — Noble Dust
The basic word "condition" here means patently different things, just by nature of the English language. — Noble Dust
are conditions in the legal sense, — Noble Dust
the concept means a love that doesn't waver under any circumstance — Noble Dust
So no given condition alters the state of that love. The fact that that unalterable state might be itself a "condition" has no content as concept because it doesn't avail itself to what conditionality means with regards to love. — Noble Dust
Is a condition. If the condition is not met, you will say it is not unconditional. It makes no sense. — John Days
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