When is blame warranted? Is it ever warranted? — kepler
You don't have to blame someone in order to hold them responsible for their actions. — T Clark
Blame leads to punishment, retribution, and revenge. — T Clark
What's needed is justice, fairness, and effective social control. — T Clark
Blame:
An accusation that you are responsible for some lapse or misdeed
A reproach for some lapse or misdeed — Sir2u
No, being responsible for something leads to punishment, retribution, and revenge. — Sir2u
Is that not what happens in the justice system when someone is judged to be responsible for some act that is considered to be against public well being? — Sir2u
Yes, a reproach for a moral lapse. That's what is not needed. — T Clark
If there is no moral judgment, society's reaction to unwanted behavior is more likely to be effective. Punishment, retribution, and revenge make some people feel better, but they are not the best way to handle crime and other damaging behavior. — T Clark
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. That's the way it should be. Justice, fairness, and social control are different from punishment, retribution, and revenge. One focuses on effectiveness in protecting the public, the other focuses on moral and emotional satisfaction. — T Clark
It is has been observed that as many as 25% of the general prison population demonstrate psychopathic behavior. In a study by researchers at the Dept of Psychiatry at the U of Iowa, 320 newly incarcerated inmates were tested for Antisocial personality disorder. ASPD was present in 113 subjects, or about 35%. — kepler
lies in the realm of ethics, law, and the philosophy of the mind. Correct me if I'm wrong. — kepler
but one goal we should definitely work toward is the stabilization of society. People need a stable, reliable, economy and stable families in which to grow up. They benefit greatly from quality education experiences. That would, in the long run, end a lot of antisocial disruptive behavior resulting from growing up in chaotic, dysfunctional families. — Bitter Crank
It is has been observed that as many as 25% of the general prison population demonstrate psychopathic behavior. In a study by researchers at the Dept of Psychiatry at the U of Iowa, 320 newly incarcerated inmates were tested for Antisocial personality disorder. ASPD was present in 113 subjects, or about 35%. — kepler
my original question lies in the nature of whether someone with a mental illness who ends up committing a crime is to be blamed. I don't think the will to resist committing crime is strong enough in some cases--due to the fact that the forces in such a person's brain move them to commit the crime. — kepler
my original question lies in the nature of whether someone with a mental illness who ends up committing a crime is to be blamed. I don't think the will to resist committing crime is strong enough in some cases--due to the fact that the forces in such a person's brain move them to commit the crime. — kepler
when psychopaths commit crimes they are likely to get zero sympathy because we hold them responsible for their acts, — Bitter Crank
Is that fair though? — Jake Tarragon
So, I don't have a solution that get's us out of unfairness. — Bitter Crank
We can certainly do better than locking people up forever to appease victims' families. — Bitter Crank
Yes, exactly.The more one consciously chooses an antisocial action, the more blameworthy they are, and therefore the more harsh the punishment should be. — kepler
Rather it should be determined by the progress the offender makes in recognizing the awfulness of what he has done and that he needs to change and does change — Jake Tarragon
(**I meant to post this all a week or two ago but I was busy and forgot)It isn't fair to imprison pedophiles for child abuse, have them complete the prison term, and then consign them to mental hospital confinement indefinitely. — Bitter Crank
Assuming the tumor is the complete determining factor in his pedophilia, which I believe is, and because he had no previous issues with self-control or whatnot, then he cannot be at blame for something he had no control over. — kepler
Yes, examples like that are useful in that senseI guess they are useful in illustrating that guilt maybe not as black and white as some think. — Jake Tarragon
Well, not no-one. There are plenty of people that are concerned about that - you and me for a start, and probably other contributors to this thread. It's just that they don't get heard above the shrill, vengeful shouting of the 'law and order' zealots.But, no one wants to understand all that.
Well, not no-one. There are plenty of people that are concerned about that - you and me for a start, and probably other contributors to this thread. It's just that they don't get heard above the shrill, vengeful shouting of the 'law and order' zealots.
Such is the sad state of public discourse on important issues like this. If it's any consolation (probably not) I don't know that there was ever a time in the past either when governments were prepared to take on the difficult, real solutions, rather than the popular, ineffective, cruel ones. — andrewk
I think it is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of people, at least in the US, will put 100% of the blame on the individual who commits a specific crime.
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When is blame warranted? Is it ever warranted? — kepler
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