This is just silly idealism and a profound ignorance of reality. — TimeLine
No different to those privileged people whinging about the most superficial situations in their personal life, using emotional manipulation as they remain completely oblivious that the world is coming to an end. It is like me walking the streets of Mosul plucking daises singing he loves me, he loves me not as people are getting massacred around me. — TimeLine
And then you have the audacity to say:
projecting your political ideology onto human nature — T Clark
Are you sure we are the ones "projecting" what human nature is? Reality is built on language, and ontology or epistemology are not some fluffy characteristics based on determined inherent tendencies but based your environment and how we communicate to one another. If there is anything determined, it is biological, cognitive. But meaning, interpretation that form emotional and behavioural attitudes don't just pop out of nowhere. — TimeLine
Neither by nature, then, nor contrary to nature do the virtues arise in us; rather we are adapted by nature to receive them, and are made perfect by habit." — bloodninja
That makes sense to me. It doesn't make sense to, yes, project 19th and 20th century political philosophies that developed in response to the industrial revolution onto human behavior that has been around for hundreds of thousands, millions, of years. — T Clark
I have no idea what you are trying to say here and how it is relevant in this context. — T Clark
If we are adapted by nature to receive virtues and are made perfect by habit, "power" is to advantageously utilise this nature of ours until we manipulate it to conform. If we did not have an evil nature - which I personally do not believe that we do - but that evil is a product of the material world, then ideology is a tool that communicates to the community what virtue is according to that ideology, which is thus accepted through habitus. Foucault' discourse or Marxist' superstructure is not "projecting" anything but rather assessing this process. — TimeLine
The point is that your view of the world is limited. Just a head's up that there are wars, violence, crimes, genocide, but you can continue to forget that as you live in complete ignorance of reality. — TimeLine
He wasn't a friend, that was what I was attempting to rouse in him because it is only in friendship that a person can begin to experience empathy. — TimeLine
I was not able to achieve this because the conditions would not allow it. — TimeLine
As I said, he was caught up way too deep into his own lies that it became a reality to him; to penetrate that required some serious thought, something I could not give. — TimeLine
My question here, however, is how I can address that lack of motivation and find ways to stimulate it without being that role model. — TimeLine
The critical developmental stages is cognitive, whereas morality requires reason — TimeLine
You can have a perfectly nuclear upbringing and still lack moral fibre. — TimeLine
Where does the community get it from? — TimeLine
You only mention this idealism because you are still not aware of why individualism itself is ideological, a social construct. — TimeLine
We have a little community going here. Please describe how this works with it as an example. How do Foucault and Marx apply to the PF? If you don't consider this a community, give me another simple, down-home example. — T Clark
And to think I said I admire your pugnacity. You're not supposed to use it against a delicate flower like me. I guess that's the way you do things in Australia. — T Clark
The theme I'm getting here is a savior complex. Based on your anecdotes, you seem to want to save the people you come into contact with who have severe issues. I know that feeling. — Noble Dust
It would have required a super-human ability to change the core of someone's lifetime's worth of experiences. — Noble Dust
I don't think you can. Outside of just exemplifying moral behavior in a passive way. Which is always, eternally, an option to anyone. — Noble Dust
What's the difference between "cognitive" and "reason" here? — Noble Dust
I'm not going to get caught in your slippery slope assertions, you have made me dizzy enough. I tried my best to explain political theory using sophomoric language and even still. I would prefer at this point to simply pat you on the head and say with a Scottish accent that'll do T Clark, that'll do. The OP is about forgiveness and reconciliation and I believe we came to this point as a way to explain how one can be influenced to believe in concepts that are not real or true. I think. As I said, you have made me dizzy. — TimeLine
It is about accessibility. Had he been capable of being my friend, where we could have gone out for a coffee and talked, perhaps I may have been enabled with access to this core. — TimeLine
It is not just exemplifying moral behaviour, but also taking care of yourself. I never accept handouts, I work really hard, I am healthy and strong and deeply content, together with holding strong convictions and integrity. You become impenetrable and that shapes a different understanding in this opposing ego. — TimeLine
What I'm saying is that you can't have access to that core; it's the very identity of the person built up over the years of their entire life. Being able to alter that would be like being able to change someone's mind on a philosophy forum. :P — Noble Dust
I agree. Just be wary of becoming too impenetrable. — Noble Dust
What I'm trying to tell you is that I wanted to help him access his own core; — TimeLine
Ah, but you reformulated - alas, I liked your first formulation. Bring it back!Says the guy with the most posts here. :P — Noble Dust
Yeah, but that's a little too late after you post it :P - I can always see the original >:)Haha, I thought it was maybe too harsh. I'm such a nice guy. — Noble Dust
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