*facepalm* :-}You refute yourself. Hollywood becomes irrelevant. The behaviour remains regardless. If it's not one cultural stimuli, it's another. So what then? — Baden
I came to the conversation this time to raise the example of Trump in order to answer fishfry's question. — Baden
First of all, they won't be sexually corrupt if their culture wouldn't have taught them that being sexually corrupt confers high status and is really something to be desired so long as you're not caught. That's what their culture teaches them, they're just emulating. Second of all, yes, presumably the first who get in power and implement those changes would have escaped from the conditioning of their society. You could say that that's wishful thinking, but that's the idea.But this seems laughable. As if those in power won't still be sexually corrupt. — Baden
And Baden's answer is that the left gives Bill a pass because the right gives Trump a pass - retroactive justification >:)I fail to understand that. The left is of course eager to attack Trump. The question is why the left gives Bill Clinton a pass. — fishfry
So if I have power do I just spontaneously start having desires to rape women and such? :s Presumably I must have already had those desires, and the presence of power merely allowed them to manifest no? That's why we have to attack the root cause, which isn't power and desire, but rather that which puts those desires in our mind in the first place.I'm not against you in principle by the way, Agu. In fact, I'm on your side but you are not demonstrating how power and desire won't work to achieve their goals in sexual beings such as we are. — Baden
>:OStop confusing causation and correlation. Even as a joke. — Baden
And Baden's answer is that the left gives Bill a pass because the right gives Trump a pass — Agustino
No, the Chinese emperors needed Eunuchs because they themselves had 100 concubines. When you have that, you naturally cause other human beings who have a sexual biological function to become envious of you and try to imitate you because you show them that you are Emperor and what distinguishes you from them is the presence of the women. So that plays on the natural sexual desire and twists it in unnatural ways. So obviously you want eunuchs around, who have no natural sexual desire, so there's nothing to twist and create rivalry.The root cause is biology. Chinese emperors knew that. Hence Eunuchs. — Baden
I doubt anyone else is confused — Baden
This I understand but what you have explained can happen to anyone. I fail to see how it is specific to sexual harassment/and or abuse by people in the position of power. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
:-O Oh dear, class consciousness....IF you want to be safe from the undesired advance, then something more than responsive court systems will be needed: What is needed are very strong employee class conscious unions that can collectively resist arbitrary and capricious actions of management — Bitter Crank
Right, but when you're say the President, you can't really expect that your employee is going to report you - you pretty much control the power structure she could report you to, or at least you have greater leverage over it than she does. Even in the student-teacher case, a student can't really report the teacher to the Principal, because the teacher has greater leverage and authority with the Principal than the student - things could potentially turn out badly for the student that way.It cannot be stopped entirely, but it can be helped to stop by having conduits for reporting and recording such incidents. — unenlightened
Cosby though, I thought was actually drugging and raping women though... I thought that other guy was just making use of the casting couch, not literally a serial rapist, just trading roles and stuff for sex, I wouldn't consider those things remotely similar. — Wosret
Oh dear, class consciousness.... — Agustino
Oh my... this is a typical case of projection, where one side dreams that the other side has what they lack. I think neither of them have "class consciousness". Why would you say that some have class consciousness and others don't? Working class person isn't aware that they are working class and therefore are under different conditions than the capitalists?Yes, dear, class consciousness. Capitalists have it -- why shouldn't workers benefit from it as well? — Bitter Crank
No I'm not. Stop being so uncharitable in your reading. Princesses should not have relationships with their servants, because they have immediate power over their lives. They don't have that power over the lives of commoners in general or other royals' servants. Clear now? — unenlightened
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