It's not a given! — Another
You say I'm lucky? And u suspect I probably don't really care. — Another
Meh, OK maybe I did just loose care, enjoy infallible logic and your firmly grounded beliefs. — Another
I did posit a brief defense of God and Monism — MysticMonist
I am actually so glad you said this! I don’t think either of us really want to get into it. I respect your views and your reasons for believing what you do. — MysticMonist
If you can prove as you are trying to that I’m internally inconsistent thought, you would disprove me, yes. — MysticMonist
Philosophy doesn't give u a definitive answer so you think that justifies believing in a dream and something that seldom offers continuity. — Another
I entered into this discussion in hope of seeing this from a view I have not heard before and one that made more sense than what I have already used in rationalisation.
Unfortunately I have not found this.
And sure you have your beliefs if you did not want them questioned why would you engage in discussion about them. — Another
My theology doesn’t give me a definite answer either. Such is the nature of God. God doesn’t fit in neatly defined, deductive boxes. I can’t prove him or define him or rationally explain him. This means I also can’t convert others by reason or by argument. — MysticMonist
In my mind, my philosophic enemy isn’t the atheist, who I’d like to ally with, but our common enemy the exclusivist religious who think they have a monopoly on God and would condemn us both to hell if they had the chance. — MysticMonist
You’re right that most believers wouldn’t tell us to our faces we’re going to hell. Nor would they believe that we would, just that we might and wouldn’t want to dwell on it further. It’s more an abstract notion than applied in particular to real persons — MysticMonist
The real problem I have with Christian and Islamic hell is the chilling effect has within and without the faith. That will be the real focus of my letter, the monopolizing of God — MysticMonist
This gives the implied assumption that other non-believers aren’t genuinely searching. That’s just wrong. — MysticMonist
I find it frustrating when some expects me to acknowledge their beliefs as fact but refuses to acknowledge my questioning the fact.
This being said maybe it's me that should refrain from engaging in these conversations.
I don't perceive that either of you mean any harm by your sharing and I hope you understand the same from me. I do get carried away at times. — Another
I’d really like to develop some sort of middle way between atheism and theism. — MysticMonist
there will always be theists — MysticMonist
There will always be atheists — MysticMonist
In my mind, my philosophic enemy isn’t the atheist, who I’d like to ally with, but our common enemy the exclusivist religious who think they have a monopoly on God and would condemn us both to hell if they had the chance. Maybe I just want to free God :) — MysticMonist
I don’t think they are worried about what one heretic thinks. But who knows. — MysticMonist
*my relationship with Islam is complicated. I converted to Islam by accident. I love the Quran. Apparently to be Muslim all you have to say is the statement of faith “there is no God but God, and Muhammad is His messenger”. I was asked if I believed that I did and I said it and they said you’re Muslim now. Wait a min?! But I ran with it for a like a week, wasn’t really my thing. So am I still Muslim? I think so, I’m not sure. I almost became Baha’i though and the Muslims hate the Baha’i. They call me a friend of the faith. So there’s that. It’s complicated. — MysticMonist
If hell exists as a place and God is omnipresent he exists in hell. If hell is not a place, but a state of being, God is the source of all being, God exists in hell.
God suffers in hell, not just cause it’s hell but because God is infinitely good and loves everyone in hell and suffers to see them suffer. God is infinite, so God suffers infinitely.
Humans are finite and suffer finitely.
Human suffering is insignificant compared to God’s suffering.
Therefore, hell exists to make God suffer infinitely and forever.
This cannot be, so eternal hell doesn’t exist. — MysticMonist
Something I've wondered - Is Baha'i related to Judaism? I've only met a few, and they've all been ethnically Jewish. — T Clark
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