No, I don't need an adversary, you made a statement and I responded. That is three times now you have pretended I - me, the personal me - is doing something that she is not, falsely attributing emotions to me, which is nothing more than an ad hominem and your way to justify a non-argument. — TimeLine
What else could we be possibly talking about? — TimeLine
Your etiquette? Your decorum? Like starting a forum post and writing this?
On suicidal thoughts. "Don't have them."
Fuck normal people. "Fuck you too."
— Benkei — TimeLine
Right. So, it's ok for you to start a thread and say that, but we - us little people - must show, what, you forbearance and compassion? — TimeLine
Maybe a verbal dance with a Kevin helps us to perfect our tango. Maybe, though we do wish Kevin would check himself sometimes, we recognize he may bring out as much of the best as the worst in us and if he were absent in every way in all of us, there would be a little less spark in our engines, a little less juice in our marrow. Don't get me wrong, I'm not glorifying Kevin, Kevin can be a right pain in the ass, just putting the lad in context, just staring into a bubbling cauldron and wondering if what makes it toil and trouble is also what makes it potent and keeps the magic alive. — Baden
What's the title of that thread? Context matters. And in that context it fits perfectly in what I've been saying here. — Benkei
forbearance and compassion — Benkei
Or is condescension not emotion in your vocabulary? — Benkei
In regular English "this" refers to something that came before and the word philosophy wasn't in your comment whereas the contents of the thread were. You'd expect you'd be talking about what is in this thread not "philosophy" at large. You were being unclear, in my view. I was happy to accept it was about philosophy it just didn't change much about my point. Instead I get a value laden rhetorical question back, which is once again emotional. There is no speaking without emotion unless we're conversing in algebra. — Benkei
Where did I speak with condescension towards you that warrants the label "little people"? I'm not in this conversation to put anyone down, I've given particular advice to Sapientia as he has repeatedly indicated he thinks form doesn't matter. I think it does and have tried to argue why and how that's a win-win for everyone involved. Did that come across as an attack in your view that we're having this conversation? If so, I think that would be for Sapientia to take up. — Benkei
More generally, I think the forum could do with more forebearance and compassion as these combative attitudes make most conversations here just go round and round (talk about the futility of philosophy indeed). This one is doing towards it as well. You don't have to agree, you don't have to implement it. I personally can take whatever people throw at me so this issue isn't even about people being forebearing and compassionate to me. — Benkei
Well, this shows your lovely character of compassion and forbearance, right, by being condescending. No, condescension is an attitude of patronizing superiority, what you exemplify above. — TimeLine
Quite obviously this is going nowhere. I ask you to refrain from judging my character as you don't know me. We can talk about my actions but not this — Benkei
I'm sorry to see you seem to interpret what I say in a negative light — Benkei
Here's some well intended advice from the other side of the divide: try to apply the principles of charity more — Benkei
I ask you to refrain from judging my character as you don't know me. We can talk about my actions but not this. — Benkei
[Exactly, Praxis. And nowadays there's a lot of research on how to communicate effectively. Sapientia and TimeLine seem to prefer to ignore it even if it would help them (and others) in being effective communicators.] — Benkei
Maybe a verbal dance with a Kevin helps us to perfect our tango. Maybe, though we do wish Kevin would check himself sometimes, we recognize he may bring out as much of the best as the worst in us and if he were absent in every way in all of us, there would be a little less spark in our engines, a little less juice in our marrow. Don't get me wrong, I'm not glorifying Kevin, Kevin can be a right pain in the ass, just putting the lad in context, just staring into a bubbling cauldron and wondering if what makes it toil and trouble is also what makes it potent and keeps the magic alive. — Baden
This is pretty great. And aren't we all Kevin, at least a little bit? There's an "excess" that makes an individual an individual. Take out all of the Kevin and somehow it's all grayly safe and safely gray. Or shall I sey "grey"? (Also the anti-anti-Americanism was nice.) — t0m
what would happen if we began to regulate emotions? What would that look like? — TimeLine
Maybe, though we do wish Kevin would check himself sometimes, we recognize he may bring out as much of the best as the worst in us and if he were absent in every way in all of us, there would be a little less spark in our engines, a little less juice in our marrow. — Baden
I have not at all been emotional or confrontational, but you took what I said personally and that is your flaw, your problem because the content of what I am saying is relevant. — TimeLine
If I'm not mistaken, the topic has focused on personal responsibility and not enforcement through moderation. — praxis
The existence of this topic would seem to indicate that emotion is relevant. — praxis
A true Kevin would be incapable of consciously attempting to regulate the emotions of others. For the non-Kevin's, it couldn't hurt to try. — praxis
we each have a responsibility to give and is necessary is relativism, recognising these differences and being objective in our approach. I don't give a shit if you are upset because I disagree with you, for instance, or have a different belief to me; show me why I am wrong and we'll go from there. Why are you finding that so hard to understand? — TimeLine
show me why I am wrong and we'll go from there. — TimeLine
Non-Kevins can go suck on a lolly for all I care. — TimeLine
I can show, that is, you will see if you will look, that your attachment to objectivity is an emotional one, that your not giving a shit is an emotional stance... The fact is that everyone here is a sensitive little flower who hates being told they are a crap poster or crap moderator, or not objective. — unenlightened
I say that moderators - indeed everyone - can be however which way they like and they are in no position to present themselves in some particular way; the only responsibility is regulating the content and not the effect a post can have on a personal and emotional level (clearly since how this emotion is assessed is ambiguous), unless it crosses the line. — TimeLine
Indeed it is precisely because emotions are the master of rationality that it is most important to have consideration for the feelings of others and sensitivity to one's own. — unenlightened
Thus decorum and sensitivity to the feelings of others is the supporter of rational discussion and objectivity, and not at all the enemy. — unenlightened
If a non-Kevin is an individual who possesses the capacity of emotional intelligence and has the inclination to use this intelligence to consciously attempt regulating (generally stimulate or calm) the emotions of others in pursuit of a rational and perhaps mutually beneficial goal, regardless of the prevailing latitude in official rules, this individual would be behaving responsibly. Behaving responsibly in the pursuit of a rational goal may generally be characterized as mature. Given the context, it's unreasonable to imply that non-Kevins are immature. — praxis
The seal of authority always deceives people in thinking they have more control than they really do, and they can pull more levers than they really can. So when that seal disappears, impotence makes itself known. Authority blinds its possessor, just like a snake hypnotises its prey before it eats it.Oh wait, is that too emotional for you, my little sensitive flower? — TimeLine
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