People may be equal, but their ideas aren't. Were we discussing people or ideas on this forum?Let's talk like different (and differing) equals, rather than fighting like high-minded superhero warriors. Hopefully, it is not too late for that. — 0 thru 9
There's very little we delete in Feedback (and other off-topic) discussions. As far as I can see, Sap's passive aggressive insults are no worse than those of non-mods (which also haven't been deleted). It's really only the egregious stuff that gets removed. — Michael
I've been following the spat between Sapientia and @ArguingWAristotleTiff for quite a while and have spoken to them both about it by PM. I see it mainly as a personal issue between two people who have known each other for a long time — Baden
Sapientia
I do wish to put this clash of egos to rest and try to move back to us walking on the same absurd side of the street that we once walked down together. I wish to call you my fine feathered friend again. My efforts will be focused on that and we will see where that takes us. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
It's all water under the bridge, anyway. It's flowing away from us as we speak. In fact, it's almost as though the less we speak, the faster it flows. — Sapientia
I'd still like to hear a more focused argument from you about where we are going wrong and what exactly you think we should do about it. — Baden
I would also like to see this put to rest, and that is entirely within our control. But here's the situation: I refuse to be anyone other than myself, and I refuse to sacrifice any part of myself, in order to repair our relationship. I will continue to act as I see fit.
I strive towards neither affection nor animosity, but rather stoic indifference. Hence, I try to think of it as like water under the bridge.
Moderators should be drawn from the best of the members, both in terms of their philosophical knowledge and clarity of posting, and their behaviour in terms of the guidelines. Generally, I would be looking for posters who defuse rather than escalate, for grace under fire. I have to confess that this does not come all that naturally to me, personally, but it is of paramount importance. Editing and deleting and banning are the enforcement procedures, which obviously should be carried out according to the guidelines and as fairly and transparently as can be managed.
However, the more important role of the staff is to lead by example and set the tone. As such, it is no defence at all to say that a moderator's posts pass the minimum standard below which they would be deleted, let alone that they would be deleted if they were not in feedback. If the best of us barely pass muster, the rest of us are really in a mess. And I fear this is what is happening.
Moderators should be uncomfortable; they should worry about their own behaviour, and that of their fellow mods. They should not be complacent, and they should not be sheep huddling in a fold. I don't know what discussions you have had in private about all this if any, and don't need to know. But this is the essence of my complaint, that I hold the staff to a higher standard than the members, because they ought to exemplify the best of us, not the minimally acceptable. That way leads to degeneration. — unenlightened
The guidelines and rules are to enforce a minimum level of decorum. Certainly you can do better than that?
I personally don't think you're a very effective communicator and it stems from the fact that you think you don't need to take other people's feelings into account when expressing yourself but expect them to accept the way you express yourself. Or consider "being frank" important but how you do that a "stylistic irrelevance". There's a lot of ways to get your ideas across; being frank and not caring about how you come across to others is not very effective and you will indeed end up in a "bloodsport" with a lot of people where most of the time it isn't necessary. — Beneki
I would also like to see this put to rest, and that is entirely within our control. But here's the situation: I refuse to be anyone other than myself, and I refuse to sacrifice any part of myself, in order to repair our relationship. I will continue to act as I see fit.
I strive towards neither affection nor animosity, but rather stoic indifference. Hence, I try to think of it as like water under the bridge. — Sapientia
You will have to work things out with Tiff as you see fit.. You should be yourself, and not sacrifice any part of yourself. So too should Tiff be true to who she is. On the other hand, Striving "towards neither affection nor animosity, but rather stoic indifference" might not be the most felicitous approach to working relationships. — Bitter Crank
Whatever I'm doing, it's not lurking. I'm not pissed off either. And I don't want to come back to the fold because I'm not a sheep. — unenlightened
Again, fuck off with your 'romantic', your 'lurking'; it's ad hominem bollocks. — unenlightened
All you are asking for is either silence or submission. — TimeLine
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