Government's ability to regulate or control suicide is limited. — Ciceronianus the White
Enough talk. The facts are there before you. Time to act. — Banno
So you are saying you really are all fucked? — Banno
That no one has any balls, that leadership is dead?
Perhaps you are right. — Banno
Who wants to write up the laws? — Sir2u
Who wants to work out how much it is all going to cost and where to get the money?
Who wants to be the one to implement the plan? You know, like going out there and start taking the guns off the people?
It's unfortunate, but we'll probably never know the rate of suicide among the Neanderthals or what they could have been deprived of in order to reduce that rate. — Ciceronianus the White
Both require relatively close distance. — Lone Wolf
If a taser was used, you would have to again be relatively close (15-20 feet)... — Lone Wolf
OK, so the majority has stated that the US of A needs to bring in stricter gun laws. Let's do the planning.
Who wants to write up the laws?
Who wants to work out how much it is all going to cost and where to get the money?
Who wants to be the one to implement the plan? You know, like going out there and start taking the guns off the people? — Sir2u
I use shotguns with some frequency, but have only fired one kind of handgun, a .357 Magnum, and I was shocked at how often I missed the target--the stationary target. Of course, with scatter guns your chances of hitting a target are much greater, but when you shoot trap or sporting clays your target is moving at a pretty good speed. The difference between a moving target and a stationary one is profound, and people have a tendency to move.
I suspect that most of the law abiding citizens carrying firearms for protection haven't spent much time being trained in their use. — Ciceronianus the White
The officer was at relatively close distance. Look at the footage. You'd have to be insane to support that officer's actions. — Sapientia
The security guard would have been relatively close, as they always are. They're typically close to an entrance. Why would anyone position a security guard far away? — Sapientia
a well-regulated one at that. It isn't clear to me — Ciceronianus the White
I am disgusted with myself. I cannot keep myself from thinking that in Texas they really love their guns — tim wood
In this Church shooting AND it is still early in the investigation but first reports are a good guy with a gun shot and chased this killer by car, while reporting to the local police while in pursuit. They don't yet know if the bullet the regular citizen fired led to this man's death but I think it is safe to say, the regular citizen with a gun, used it responsibly and ended what could have been a continuing killing spree. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Perhaps we should do a cost benefit analysis. Does the availability of guns in the U.S. protect more than it harms or vice versa? — Michael
I am simply stating that there are times when a good guy with a gun, a regular armed citizen, actually does happen and this might be an example of that very argument. Time and investigation will prove that to be true or false.
I think the availability of firearms can be a double edged sword but I am not sure how to quantify your question. Are you asking if the 300 million privately owned firearms, owned by responsible firearm owners in the USA, are responsible for the damage that terror inspired or the mentally ill carry out? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I'm saying that if bad people with guns kill 1,000 people and if good guys with guns save 100 people then it probably isn't worth having guns — Michael
The point is that you're suggesting that if the good guy didn't have a gun then more people would have died, whereas I'm pointing out that if the bad guy didn't have a gun then fewer people would have died. — Michael
I understand your logic but the bad guy will always find a way to get a gun, legally or illegally. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Thank you for helping me understand your question. Your idea would be apply if we had to have a reason to own a firearm but we don't because owning a firearm is a right. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
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