I think you really do have problems in understanding the meaning of what you read. — Agustino
An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. — Harry Hindu
No, you listed to me a bunch of symptoms and shown ZERO understanding of how medicine actually works or what those words mean. Headaches are the primary symptom of brain cancer. Does having a headache mean that you have brain cancer? Probably not - and not just statistically, but also because brain cancer usually produces a SPECIFIC TYPE of headache, that is different from what you've likely experienced before as headaches. When you just regurgitate a list of symptoms, you miss all that.I think you have problems in understanding what you experience. — Harry Hindu
Yeah this is a case in point. You have no clue what "inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility" means. That means that the person starts swearing at you, cursing you, threatening you, being physically violent, etc. That's what a delusion actually looks like. But of course, you know none of that.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. — Harry Hindu
Most people who have brain cancer don't experience other symptoms prior to diagnosis.headache is only one symptom out of many that could indicate brain cancer or something else. — Harry Hindu
No, you listed many, and failed to understand all of them. I don't meet probably any of those, I might meet a few, but definitely not all that you've bolded.I didn't list one, I listed many, most of which you meet. — Harry Hindu
Yeah, you do have to look at ALL the symptoms, and in addition, you have to understand what they mean. Delusions are usually part of psychiatric disorders. Psychiatric disorders are manifestations which halt someone's ability to function in society, that's one key characteristic. So unless my "delusions" harm my ability to function in society, they can't be medically qualified as delusions.You have to look at ALL the symptoms and perform tests to know what the root cause is. Going by one symptom doesn't get you to the cause. — Harry Hindu
Yes I am perfectly aware it says often. So what? That's a red herring.Read again. It says OFTEN, not always. Maybe you should check what you read? — Harry Hindu
The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.Yeah, you do have to look at ALL the symptoms, and in addition, you have to understand what they mean. Delusions are usually part of psychiatric disorders. Psychiatric disorders are manifestations which halt someone's ability to function in society, that's one key characteristic. So unless my "delusions" harm my ability to function in society, they can't be medically qualified as delusions. — Agustino
Those are not delusions in a medical sense.In other words, you can behave normally, except when your delusion is questioned. Most people with delusions have them as a means of coping with the stress of life and the knowledge of death and an unfair world. — Harry Hindu
Those are not delusions in a medical sense. — Agustino
Yes, that's the problem. You never made that distinction, but you gave me a list used to diagnose a medical condition. Is your claim that I suffer of the medical condition known as delusions? Yes or no?I never made that distinction. — Harry Hindu
You suffer from delusions. You asked me to show you that you are delusional. I did.Yes, that's the problem. You never made that distinction, but you gave me a list used to diagnose a medical condition. Is your claim that I suffer of the medical condition known as delusions? Yes or no? — Agustino
I gave you an answer. It's not my problem if you don't like it.I asked you for a yes or no answer. Are you incapable of following directions? I want a yes or no answer — Agustino
No you haven't. You said I suffer of delusions. What does that mean? Do you mean the medical condition known as delusions? Yes or no?I gave you an answer. It's not my problem if you don't like it. — Harry Hindu
>:O - yes, quoting the dictionary certainly does make my point very well. You don't understand what ANY of those synonyms mean in the context of diagnosing a psychiatric condition.Irritability synonyms: irascibility, testiness, touchiness, grumpiness, moodiness, grouchiness, (bad) mood, cantankerousness, curmudgeonliness, bad temper, short temper, ill humor, peevishness, crossness, fractiousness, pettishness, crabbiness, tetchiness, waspishness, prickliness, crankiness, orneriness — Harry Hindu
I mean that you hold beliefs that alleviate the stress of knowing you will die and cease to exist. In other words, you cover up reality with your nice beliefs in order to feel better about your finite existence.No you haven't. You said I suffer of delusions. What does that mean? Do you mean the medical condition known as delusions? Yes or no? — Agustino
It seems that you don't know what any of those words mean in the context of THIS conversation.- yes, quoting the dictionary certainly does make my point very well. You don't understand what ANY of those synonyms mean in the context of diagnosing a psychiatric condition. — Agustino
Good, so you don't mean delusions in a medical context, therefore the list of symptoms used to diagnose the psychiatric condition of delusions that you provided is worthless, and that's a fact.I mean that you hold beliefs that alleviate the stress of knowing you will die and cease to exist. In other words, you cover up reality with your nice beliefs in order to feel better about your existence. — Harry Hindu
Let's start with this one: Do you not accept your premise unquestioningly (that God, the afterlife, the supernatural, spirits, etc., exist) which then has an influence on how you interpret your experiences - that these experiences are "spiritual"?There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him/her, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly. — Harry Hindu
No, not unquestioningly. It would be most productive if you answer my questions before anything else though. Please try to concentrate, it will facilitate having a discussion.Do you not accept your premise unquestioningly — Harry Hindu
So it seems to me that you want to say that I hold beliefs solely for the purpose of alleviating the fear of death. Correct? — Agustino
Not solely. You hold your beliefs for the purpose of alleviating the stress of knowing the world is a certain way that you don't like or agree with. Also, to make yourself feel more meaningful, more special, than your really are.So it seems to me that you want to say that I hold beliefs solely for the purpose of alleviating the fear of death. Correct? — Agustino
In the Christian tradition, for example, prayer, worship, meditation and contemplation are means for the believer to get in closer communion with the Lord through His Son Jesus Christ. — Agustino
If eternal hell exists and if you are someone who is likely to be in hell in the afterlife, would hell be something to be afraid of? Yes or no?Not solely. You hold your beliefs for the purpose of alleviating the stress of knowing the world is a certain way that you don't like or agree with. Also, to make yourself feel more meaningful, more special, than your really are. — Harry Hindu
This makes no reference to God. Clearly the delusion applies to actual human persons.Erotomanic type (erotomania): delusion that another person, often a prominent figure, is in love with the individual. The individual may breach the law as he/she tries to obsessively make contact with the desired person. — Harry Hindu
Really?grandiose (I am a eternal spirit and the body is just a faulty copy of myself (imposter)) — Harry Hindu
>:O doesn't sound like what you were quoting above.delusion of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity or believes themself to be a famous person, claiming the actual person is an impostor or an impersonator. — Harry Hindu
Nope, not begging the question at all. I expressed something in Christian discourse, you want me to translate to atheist? It's just a question of translation. You cannot figure the meaning of those terms. Read the rest of what I wrote. You don't have to be a theist to meditate for example.Yeah, so right now you're talking to an atheist so starting out like this is just begging the question to me. Let's not shall we? — Benkei
meaningless is really just semantics. I defined faith earlier in this thread as "the evidence of things unseen". When I say "remove faith" we are removing any evidence submitted for things unseen such as souls, God, miracles and transubstantiation. — Benkei
If attempting to decipher the nature of reality, I rely upon my senses and reason and you rely upon the five books of Moses, surely you can see that we don't just have different foundational anchors, but they are of a significantly different type altogether. My point being that I am relying upon some fairly basic means of acquiring information, whereas you are relying upon some old book, and I therefore can say that we are not using faith in the same way. — Hanover
It's clear that there are all sorts of religions worldwide with tremendous diversity among them, many thousands of years of old and many with hundreds of thousands and even millions upon millions of followers. Surely they can't all be right, which would indicate their being right has little to do with their success. — Hanover
The ones with a proven track record, obviously.Which do you think are more deserving of your faith? — Metaphysician Undercover
Yes, I think this is about right. There are differences between religions, but there certainly is a shared mystical core in all of them.The different religions have fundamental principles which are very similar, God, communion, good behaviour, etc., especially if you allow for the different social conditions within which they exist. And if they have similar fundamental principles, then your claim "surely they can't all be right" is unjustified. Atheists like to pick at accidental differences and say "see they're all different, they can' t all be right". But look at all the different people out there in the world. Would you say "see they're all different, they can't all be human beings"? — Metaphysician Undercover
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