So you're saying you tell women "I am attracted to you" and then ask women if you can touch their leg or their hand? You ask women if you can kiss them? — JustSomeGuy
I have a French accent. I could ask someone to pluck a chicken and it would still be more naturally romantic than all the artifice you can summon. — Akanthinos
Well, that's how you are perceiving our interaction. — Akanthinos
You say women expect men to do the first move, and that they also expect this first move to be physical, and that these incompatible expectations are at the source of the negative dynamics between the sexes. — Akanthinos
You then lay an icing of "women are emotional and not rational" with the cherry of "women don't have more problems than man" — Akanthinos
you'll have a hard time passing as anything else than a frustrated MRA-type with this type of setup. — Akanthinos
You don't ask a woman if you can kiss her. You ask her if she wants to kiss you. Or tell her that she can, if she wants. — Michael
That doesn't sound any less romantic. Maybe the culture is just different where I grew up, but I have it on good authority from multiple women I've had relationships with that women do not want you to ask, they want you to act. — JustSomeGuy
You say women expect men to do the first move, and that they also expect this first move to be physical, and that these incompatible expectations are at the source of the negative dynamics between the sexes. You then lay an icing of "women are emotional and not rational" with the cherry of "women don't have more problems than man". — Akanthinos
but I have it on good authority from multiple women I've had relationships with that women do not want you to ask, they want you to act. — JustSomeGuy
I'm curious, do you live in the U.S.? — JustSomeGuy
If not, then much of or disagreement is likely due to cultural differences. — JustSomeGuy
France has a very different culture than the U.S., and especially when it comes to sexuality they seem to be much more advanced than we are here. — JustSomeGuy
the only problem here is you both - as men - trying to rationale hasty generalisations of approaching and eventually soliciting sexual intercourse or intimacy — TimeLine
Women generally don't want weak partners. They aren't really different from men in that regard, a lot of us would also very much dislike overly meek partners. Asking for permission can be seen as submissive, especially when it is done over and over again. — Akanthinos
And you say: — TimeLine
I am unsure whether you are aware of this, but all women are different and the only problem here is you both - as men - trying to rationale hasty generalisations of approaching and eventually soliciting sexual intercourse or intimacy. — TimeLine
Perhaps you should change your attitude and have a discussion about how to solicit friendship. That may alleviate your problem. — TimeLine
Would you like it if you were approached only because of the value you have as an object to the person approaching you? That my history, my thoughts and opinions, my skills in the workplace and talent are all irrelevant as long as I have a vagina? — TimeLine
Women generally don't want weak partners. — Akanthinos
You could swap "kiss me" with "blow me" and you'd still be taking a gamble if you're unsure about the other person's will. — Buxtebuddha
I'll also share some evidence for my claim that women are, in general, more irrational than men due to certain biological processes and hormones. — JustSomeGuy
In any case, do you really find so insulting "women generally don't want weak undecisive partners, just like man"? As far as hasty generalisation goes, I feel it's a fairly well balanced one. — Akanthinos
I think that at least many women in the world are socialized to be less rational, more irrational, or something similar. — Bitter Crank
Me: Are you fun?
Her: Yes
Me: Adventurous?
Her: Yes
Me: Show me
Her: How?
Me: Kiss me — Michael
Absolutely cringe-worthy.
If it has worked for you, more power to you, but this is like one of those horrible pickup lines you'd hear in some YouTube video on how to attract women, hosted by some greasy douche.
Maybe where I differ most is that I have never had any desire to engage with women who would fall for dumb pickup lines like that. — JustSomeGuy
I know there are many girls who respond to and even enjoy when guys use pickup lines such as that, but as I said, those generally aren't the kind of girls I would want to get to know anyway.
The one thing that I do know all women like and that is respect. — TimeLine
It isn't a pickup line. — Michael
"Those" kind of girls? I think it telling that you seem to think less of women who respond well to this kind of talk. — Michael
My intention has actually been to show that women are not all the same by sharing these experiences and things that women I've known personally have told me. — JustSomeGuy
That being said, your point seems to apply to the MeToo movement itself, or at the very least many of it's "members". The articles I've read on it have also been claiming that all women want the same thing, which is for men to ask consent before making any sexual advances. — JustSomeGuy
For the record, every woman I've had a romantic relationship with began as friendship, and the vast majority of my closest friends throughout my life have been women. — JustSomeGuy
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