By your own standard, this very statement is a hasty generalisation. Still, I guess you won't be willing to see my point, so I'll leave you to your indignation. — Akanthinos
What is your point, Michael? What are you attempting to convey? — TimeLine
So you're saying you tell women "I am attracted to you" and then ask women if you can touch their leg or their hand? You ask women if you can kiss them?
How romantic. — JustSomeGuy
You don't ask a woman if you can kiss her. You ask her if she wants to kiss you. Or tell her that she can, if she wants. — Michael
I love it. 'I guess you can kiss me now if you feel you must.' — dog
I think it actually went:
Me: Are you fun?
Her: Yes
Me: Adventurous?
Her: Yes
Me: Show me
Her: How?
Me: Kiss me — Michael
you are using interest in pick-up lines as a measure of social standing, competence and slut-shaming-- i.e. those women who would be interested in pick-up lines are dumb and shallow. — TheWillowOfDarkness
So you're saying that this is what MeToo is truly about? Because I was under the impression it was about unwanted sexual advances from men in general, not sexist discrimination in the workplace. I don't use Twitter, though. Everything I know about this is from third party sources. — JustSomeGuy
The problem here is the intent that men may have to try and solicit sexual intercourse and to do this with little or no respect to the personhood of the woman in question. The problem is the intent here in men that enables bad men to behave badly by viewing women as merely an object for sexual gratification. This then means that in the workplace, their skills, their qualifications, their history of employment is all irrelevant. Who they are, what they like, the things that they do are irrelevant. They are just a sexual object and when a man has that in mind, the person does not exist. At university, same thing. Even in the home or even entrenched in cultures. — TimeLine
Point just being, despite my nitpicks with how some of these things are being handled, I do think we're heading in a good direction by airing out all of this "dirty laundry". — JustSomeGuy
No amount of prior verbal or written agreement amounts to consent. It's about whether someone wants to have sex, a question of not of a stated agreement, but rather of someone's thoughts, feelings and wishes. Consent isn't about whether a man has asked. It's about if a woman wants to. — TheWillowOfDarkness
In my experience, if women are receptive to dumb pickup lines, it says something about their personality that I believe would likely mean we were incompatible. Again, this is based on my experience. If I find something completely stupid, and she finds it endearing, I feel like we wouldn't be off to a very good start. Say what you want about my reasoning in that regard, but you do me a huge disservice to put such strong words in my mouth which were never there. — JustSomeGuy
The idea that waiting for consent conflicts with proper dating etiquette is absurd, but it seems to be the sort of idea that so many are pushing. — Michael
It's all implied by the way you are using "the sort of woman" in question as some sort of rule which defines what an individual woman thinks. — TheWillowOfDarkness
In addition to this, it also acknowledges the problematic views that men have in general about women, about them being biologically irrational for instance — TimeLine
The suggestions that you have been making, the generalisations against women and the lack of respect is what I would consider 'aggressive' — TimeLine
You are objectifying such women as necessarily shallow and stupid on account of being attracted to someone who used a pick-up line. It's a status judgment which has nothing to do with anyone you might b involved with. — TheWillowOfDarkness
With respect to who you might be interested or compatible with, the argument doesn't make any sense. If you were to be with anyone who liked pick-up lines, you would be around them, encountering their wonder behaviours and personality. At no point will you be in a situation of measuring whether someone is worthwhile or interesting based on whether they are fine with pick up lines. It makes no sense to use this as a measure of someone's character. — TheWillowOfDarkness
What I said was that women have a biological predisposition to more frequent irrationality. The article I shared involved a medical doctor explaining why this is, and as I said it contained many comments from women confirming their own experiences. I never meant for it to sound like women are always irrational, or that all women are more irrational than all men. As I have point out in other comments here, men have their own hormonal and biological issues that are unique to them, as well. — JustSomeGuy
Again, just to be clear, the lack of respect comes from my claiming that women, in the same way as men, tend not to value weakness in partners. — Akanthinos
Would it be justifiable if I were to say that men are biologically pre-dispositioned to act violently? — TimeLine
And as I said, men have their fair share of unique problems, as well. Many of which are also due to various hormones and biological processes. Tendency towards violence is an obvious one. — JustSomeGuy
These hormonal shifts are cyclical and irrespective of gender in as much as it is irrelevant to a person' decision-making process; being irritable can be caused by a number of other stressors including not getting a good nights sleep, or not eating the right thing, or having a bad day at work. — TimeLine
And contrarily to what JustSomeGuy claimed previously, the "assertive move" doesn't have to be make physically, blind of any verbal consent — Akanthinos
I never claimed that.
Carry on. — JustSomeGuy
That's not at all what I claimed. What I said was that women cannot want men to make the first move spontaneously,while simultaneously wanting them to ask consent first. — JustSomeGuy
It isn't a pickup line. It's a flirty conversation. — Michael
I would have to say yes, it is justifiable. — JustSomeGuy
Men may have a tendency to be more aggressive in general, and both men and women obviously have fluctuations in various physiological and psychological things that result in varying levels of rationality from moment to moment, but only women experience the monthly cycle of hormonal changes which cause higher levels of irrationality. — JustSomeGuy
I've been saying (all along >:o ) that, in general, statements like "women like assertive men who act and do not talk" are meaningless by ways of being trite. Most people, men or women, do not like unassertive individuals. — Akanthinos
Just learned she wasn't fired because of that. In fact the corporation didn't care at all. She was fired because she slapped a newly hired dude on the bum. I mean, I'm just glad she's gone, and slapping dudes on the ass is unacceptable... But no one cared that she assaulted a coworker??? — Akanthinos
That is like someone saying a racist comment to culture A and then claiming they have friends from culture A as though justified the initial comment. — TimeLine
. It does not change the nature of your generalisation by simply adding everyone into the equation. — TimeLine
That is like someone saying a racist comment to culture A and then claiming they have friends from culture A as though justified the initial comment. — TimeLine
Men do not have the innate predisposition to be violent against woman — TimeLine
There are many men that do not like violence but feel obligated as part of the social views of masculinity that either physical or monetary power and strength somehow gives you worth. — TimeLine
Indeed, we - as in men and women - are completely different biologically, but how this effects our rationality is irrelevant whether it is monthly or seasonal. — TimeLine
Can the cooperation care if the cleaning lady did not make any complaints (whereas it sounds likely the man made a complaint)? — TimeLine
mostly by her way of using methods where she would not get caught like intentionally spilling drink - which is what bullies do. — TimeLine
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