So political qualifications don't stem simply from skin color or gender, but the latter can contribute to it? Is that what you mean by the use of the word "simply"?Otherwise, no serious modern Presidential candidate, Clinton, Obama, or otherwise, have claimed that their political qualifications stem simply from the color of their skin, or gender. — Maw
That would be worrying, yes. As worrying as voting for a woman President or a black president regardless of qualifications and competency.what would be worrying is if America voted for a white male president regardless of qualifications and competency. — Maw
Why do you think a successful businessman is unqualified to be President?the most unqualified Presidential candidate in modern American history to capture the White House. — Maw
Sure, but you know why that is? Because much of the left media has been hypocritical for many years, and the voters are just sick of it.It is impossible to imagine Obama or Clinton acting even remotely similar to Trump, and get anywhere near the candidacy. Otherwise, no serious modern Presidential candidate, Clinton, Obama, or otherwise, have claimed that their political qualifications stem simply from the color of their skin, or gender. — Maw
Okay, I see. That's reasonable, but then it's a double-edged thing, since every demographic has its own problems. So even white people would confront problems that other demographic groups don't, etc.Yes, being a Black American can provide unique experiences that help better qualify someone to discuss and debate political issues related to Black/minority America than a White American who has not had similar experiences. — Maw
I don't think Trump is racist or misogynistic or a failed businessman. Out of those three, the most disputable one is the racist one. That one is debatable because it is plausible to say that at minimum he disconsiders African nations, though probably many US Presidents did that, whether they openly said so or not. For example, Obama called Libya a "shit show", very similar to Trump's "shithole" remarks.racist, misogynistic, and repeatedly failed businessman — Maw
racist, misogynistic, and repeatedly failed businessman — Maw
I apologise unreservedly, wholeheartedly and ashamedly for mentioning the placard on the lectern of Jordan Peterson (remember him?). It seems to have derailed the thread for the last two pages, which was not my intention. — andrewk
You aren't seriously suggesting that left sociologists and political scientists have ignored poverty or consider it a "micro-culture" or an exclusively minority experience? — Maw
I think you are largely misrepresenting the idea of privilege in this case. Just as a first point, you take aim at "leftist sociologists and political scientists", and it seems to me that such people (especially sociologists) are precisely in the business of analyzing society at a broader level for its properties, tendencies, distributions of various kinds, and so on. Comparing that, as you repeatedly did, to a personal example of your own (which doesn't reflect the tendencies in, say, American society as a whole) is just a poor comparison. — MindForged
People who make use of the concept of privilege don't argue that people of some specified privileged class don't face issues, or that particular members of that class don't have bad circumstances (even bad circumstances rooted in their (broadly) advantageous class membership). Rather, they're pointing out a general advantage and preference society gives to certain members, even before they could have ever demonstrated their superior competency or whatever (think: job offer preferences depending on perceived ethnicity or race of the applicants name, for example) — MindForged
Peterson's argument — MindForged
White privilege is simply not having to wonder whether a stranger will suddenly start to abuse you on the bus, just because of what you look like. In the US it is also not having to fear a police officer every time one comes near, that they may stop and search you, or even shoot you, because of what you look like. — andrewk
To believe in and invoke white privilege is the polite, academic way to be a racist against white people. I haven't watched the video, but inasmuch as Peterson makes this claim, which I have heard him make in other videos, he is absolutely right.
Saying "Group X generally has certain advantages (often even when measurable competencies are taken into account) and are given preferences at least in part because of what makes them a member of Group X" is not politely or in any other way being racist to white people. — MindForged
How naive. Naturally, when challenged, the claim is asserted by proponents to be innocently descriptive, but not a single person who uses it fails to either implicitly or explicitly advance various prescriptive claims.
really? You were witness to every single time it was used, and knew exactly what each person that used it was thinking were you?not a single person who uses it fails to either implicitly or explicitly advance various prescriptions.
You think we should be glad that racial abuse of Asians — andrewk
police harassment and shooting of blacks occurs regularly — andrewk
To be clear, do you really want us to understand that you believe that wishing something was different is 'prescriptive'. — andrewk
Nobody but you said anything about epidemic levels.Asians are being racially abused on buses at epidemic levels?
Nobody but you said that racism was a factor, let alone the most significant one. FWIW I think the major factors are fear, poor training and lack of psychological screening.Sorry, but racism isn't anywhere near the most significant factor in why police shoot some black people
Find where I said that and quote it back to me, with link. You won't be able to find it, because I didn't say it. In fact I don't think I have used the word 'racism' at all in this thread, prior to this post (where I mention, but do not use it).you attribute the mere fact of a black man being shot by a police officer to racism.
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