I'm not an expert but was it Decartes who approached philosophy, life, with complete doubt? — TheMadFool
m not an expert but was it Decartes who approached philosophy, life, with complete doubt? — TheMadFool
Skepticism is a problem for philosophy because there is no absolute certainty in it. — TheMadFool
How does one overcome it?
Do we fall back on pragmatism or do we just ignore it?
Suppose D is true.
That means there are NO truths but...
that means D too is a falsehood.
A contradiction D & ~D — TheMadFool
The problem with this method is when do you stop doubting? When is there enough certainty for something to be justified?that if you doubt whatever cannot be justified non-circularly — PossibleAaran
I tend to agree with the statement. If I doubt something, I must have grounds for doubting it. Though I have to admit, that if I am honest, I don't often behave that way in practice. The reason why I adopted belief in the proposition quoted is because I was suffering from generalised anxiety disorder, OCD and hypochondria back then - so I determined to establish a philosophical method for when to worry and when not to worry (worry being somewhat similar to doubt). So then I learned, using that, not to worry (or doubt) in the absence of evidence, but only in the series of worries/doubts that were troubling me.doubting P requires some evidence against P — PossibleAaran
If all dogs are mammals, and all mammals are animals, then all dogs are animals. — Michael Ossipoff
"If all dogs are mammals, and all mammals are animals, then all dogs are animals. "— Michael Ossipoff
Where is the fact? It is simply a proposal (hence the proposition). — Rich
You said "If". Suppose someone doesn't buy into your 'If".
You are confusing consensus on a proposal with some sort of an idea that you call a fact or truth.
Where is the fact? It is simply a proposal (hence the proposition). — Rich
If you doubt that premise, that doesn't mean that you disagree with or challenge the if-then proposition. — Michael Ossipoff
Where is the fact? It is simply a proposal (hence the proposition). — Rich
Rich added:
— Rich
Because you say so? Suppose sometime disagrees?
If you doubt that premise, that doesn't mean that you disagree with or challenge the if-then proposition.
I just did.
Finding "facts" outside of philosophy class is actually quite difficult.
I merely meant that you can't validly, justifiably disagree with an if-then proposition based on a belief that its premise is false. — Michael Ossipoff
The falsity of an implication's premise doesn't make the proposition false. — Michael Ossipoff
But, even if you don't like that standard definition, the falsity of an implication's premise certainly doesn't make the implication false. — Michael Ossipoff
You call yourself "Rich". That's a fact. Maybe "Rich" is really your first name. That, too, is a fact. — Michael Ossipoff
.I merely meant that you can't validly, justifiably disagree with an if-then proposition based on a belief that its premise is false.
.Of course I can.
.The falsity of an implication's premise doesn't make the proposition false.
.IF there is disagreement with the premise THEN there will be disagreement with the conclusion
.IF there is disagreement with the premise THEN there will be disagreement with the conclusion (as there always is)
.. One might as well forget about everything until there is concensus with the premise/stated belief. I would think this is pretty obvious.
.But, even if you don't like that standard definition, the falsity of an implication's premise certainly doesn't make the implication false.
.Yes, when people agree, they will agree. It is not true or false, it is the nature of human beings. Agreement (consensus) is often restated as facts. Despite this, it remains a belief.
.You call yourself "Rich". That's a fact. Maybe "Rich" is really your first name. That, too, is a fact.
.No one knows what Rich is. You can say something about it and I might agree, but suppose I'm a hacker and have nothing to do with the name Rich?
.All information is subject to ambiguity some more so than others.
.You form beliefs but it doesn't make it a fact.
.The problem with most analysis of the nature of things is that people are in need such a hurry to reach conclusions that they don't even pause for a second to consider alternatives that would undermined their conclusions.
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I didn’t say you couldn’t disagree. I merely said that you couldn’t validly and justifiably disagree. — Michael Ossipoff
What makes you think you didn't understand your declaration of final arbiter? I did. I fully understand that you believe you are in the position of greater understanding. Fine. I disagree. — Rich
If you want to argue about what is valid and what is true and all of those other arbitrary terms, there is a thread thrashing that out right now.
Suffice to say, I don't recognize you as the final arbiter. That belief is your own.
You called me Rich. I never called myself anything. Check your facts.
Your delusional belief — Michael Ossipoff
As for myself, I just keep it real by observing patterns, understanding human nature, always working on sharpening my skills via "cross-training", and like any good detective, making sure all the pieces in the puzzle are fitting together. Philosophy is all about being a good detective whose working to solve the case. I like challenges that thoroughly test my capabilities and creative thinking possibilities. It takes time to develop the skills but it is never too early or late to start — Rich
But doubt casts a shadow over everything - your assumptions AND your methods. It's great to think of philosophy as an investigation but what if our technique is wrong or our clues are faulty? What then? — TheMadFool
Of course there are truths. — Michael Ossipoff
Maybe the problem is the notion of "absolute certainty", not scepticism — Ying
We become sceptics and attain ataraxia. It's not particularly hard. — Ying
I change direction. I'm only interested in understanding nature. The more I look the better my skills.
The problem with logic is that you never go beyond where you are and the only skill that you are honing is restatement if what you already know. If you want to enhance your skills in life you have to go out there and experiment and do it. I don't look for certainty. I look for knowledge that allows me to grow. — Rich
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