if what you say here is true, when one first learns that that is(called) a "tree", s/he does not believe - cannot possibly believe - that that is there(whatever and wherever that may be).
— creativesoul
Right... — Metaphysician Undercover
When a child learns one's first words, "mommy" and "daddy", for example, I wouldn't say that the child believes these are things called "mommy" and "daddy". The child is just learning how to say things.
while you just insist that if something is thinking, it has beliefs. — Metaphysician Undercover
↪creativesoul
So, you reject the dictionary definition, then?
By my lights
— creativesoul
Not so bright! Turn up the wattage; you'll gain clarity... :-}
33 minutes ago ReplyShareFlag — Janus
Thinking about Knowledge and Belief.
It seems to me that Knowledge without Belief is impossible and maybe at a certain level their distinction vanishes, but it is clearly not the other way round, Belief without Knowledge happens all the time.
Belief has an emotive quality, an intensity, perhaps this how we bring value to the epistemic. If belief is traceable back to feeling then language may not necessary for belief, but still some sort of semiotic connection. — Cavacava
I was criticizing your argument by pointing out more and subtler distinctions you could make if your terms were more rigorously used, not being pedantic about your use of terms. — Janus
Let the record show that Meta is assenting to the belief that one can learn the names of things without believing that something is there. — creativesoul
I'd like to see the criterion that clearly sets out what language acquisition is existentially dependent upon. — creativesoul
The will and desire to learn language...
X-)
...before being able to conceive of "language". — creativesoul
I wonder what rich trove of hard won/obsessively cobbled together insights/realisations you are desperately trying to protect/ hide behind. — Janus
Meta is lost. — creativesoul
It's all sighs and irrelevancies with you! — Janus
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