Pretending that the issue is not peculiar to the US is disingenuous. — Banno
Mad bastards. Time to love your kids more than your guns. — Banno
Nirvana fallacy. That it won't stop all isn't that it won't stop some. And surely doing something is better than doing nothing? — Michael
You're saying that because gun crime will just be replaced with non-gun crime, it isn't worth doing something about gun crime? — Michael
If they're just to make certain types of weapons illegal, like semi-automatic rifles, — Michael
close loopholes in internet sales — Michael
increase the legal age — Michael
have restrictions on risky groups (like the mentally ill) — Michael
Not being British you would not be aware of this. But quoting the Daily Mail as a source has about the same credibility as quoting a Trump tweet.It is strange that earlier in this thread so many people point to England's gun laws as an example to be followed to reduce gun violence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
The statistics seem to be showing that there is a problem with those laws application as well. — Sir2u
You're either displaying your ignorance here or just being crafty. To make semi-automatic rifles illegal would require making virtually all guns illegal, as most handguns are semi-automatic. Otherwise, banning certain semi-automatic rifles would be aritrary. — Thorongil
Would-be killers would simply choose another gun, and there are several more powerful and dangerous than the AR-15 and its variants.
Two can play at this game. That defensive gun use by private citizens won't stop all crime isn't that it won't stop some. Surely we ought not to ban them, then?
No, I'm saying it isn't worth stricter gun control laws. — Thorongil
There are things that can be done about gun crime that don't involve strict gun control laws or an outright ban of guns. — Thorongil
It's not arbitrary. Semi-automatic rifles are different to semi-automatic handguns. — Michael
Then ban the guns that are more dangerous as well. I honestly don't understand the problem. You don't seem to mind the ban on assault rifles (or do you?), despite the fact that would-be killers can simply choose another gun. — Michael
I'm saying that if gun control will reduce the firearm homicide rate then there's a good case for gun control. — Michael
Why not? Surely it's better to not have someone shoot at you than to be able to return fire at someone who is? — Michael
And why can't it be done as well? — Michael
I don't really know what the difference is between those who support gun control and those who oppose it. Is it that they disagree over whether or not gun control will make the country safer, or is it that opponents of gun control believe that the right to own a gun is more important than a safer country?
Not being British you would not be aware of this. — andrewk
fact is, every country in the world has a gun problem but none like america. no other country in the world has as many mass shootings and it is the country that promotes guns the most. if you cant see a problem you are blind. — David Solman
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland. In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually.
In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.
mOST OF THE PEOPLE SIMPLY PROMOTE THE RIGHT TO OWN THEM. — Sir2u
There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America.
The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009.
You are also engaging in ad hominem attacks against Thorongil. — Harry Hindu
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