One fact seems blatantly obvious -- and has been addressed by Steven Pinker in his book regarding violence -- guns don't kill people, people kill people. This is an empirical fact. — Youseeff
Just making a fool of yourself — charleton
People with automatic weapons tend to be capable of exterminating several children quite easily.
People without guns find it much harder to kill children. — charleton
It has been firmly established that there is zero correlation between guns and violent crime. — JustSomeGuy
He also finds that robberies in which the assailant uses a gun are more likely to result in the death of the victim, but less likely to result in injury to the victim.[138] — JustSomeGuy
Violent crime is not equivalent to gun deaths. — JustSomeGuy
So you've read nothing I've said since that statement? Because everything I've said has very clearly been about how guns do not cause people to be violent or commit crime, they only make the crimes more lethal. — JustSomeGuy
Tell that to the Manchester bomber, he could not find a gun because they are forbidden in England. — Sir2u
Anyone who claims that guns like this are not the equivalent of war weapons and accuses those who claim they are of "fear-mongering" and "peddling falsehoods" is either deliberately lying or willfully ignorant. — Baden
Anyone who claims that guns like this are not the equivalent of war weapons and accuses those who claim they are of "fear-mongering" and "peddling falsehoods" is either deliberately lying or willfully ignorant. — Baden
The other falsehood, moreover, was the suggestion by Agustino that civilians have access to the first set of military weapons. — Thorongil
...no need ever to own assault rifles, automatic war weaponry, etc. — Agustino
The continued attempts in this thread to paint me as some rabid, gun toting and loving NRA shill are getting really, really old. — Thorongil
Simple. I demonstrate it by asking you to give me examples of realistic situations when you would need such a weapon for self-defence.How do you know? This sort of assumption is at the heart of the anti-gun rhetoric, it seems to me, and it's never demonstrated. — Thorongil
You're equivocating on "powerful". Guns can be "more powerful" in a lot of different ways. Deeper penetration from one single bullet but very slow firing rate for example. Or you can have very fast firing rate, with less damage per bullet. There are many ways to assess what is "more powerful". So you're just equivocating.As I've already pointed out, and this is for Baden too, there are guns more powerful and deadly than the AR-15. — Thorongil
Oh yeaaaaah, the hamster mafia is after me, I certainly need a bazooka to defend myself, I'm sure they'll be coming with tanks too I'm prepared: — Agustino
Certainly one does have a right to self defense - a right to bear arms... — Buxtebuddha
demand the use of war-like weaponry. — Agustino
So are you also in favour of people having bombs??? LOL — charleton
Like I said: You are making a fool of yourself. — charleton
Why doesn't a right to self-defense entail a right to the means of self-defense? — Thorongil
Although charle's usually a dumbass, he said harder, not impossible. Finding an instance of mass murder that doesn't involve semi-automatic rifles doesn't make the regulation of semi-automatic rifles a moot endeavor. — Buxtebuddha
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