Appeal to authority. That is a logical fallacy. — LostThomist
In the end I think it'll be more worthwhile if society addresses the underlying problem of promiscuous sex so that abortions are not as appallingly common as they are now. Abortion being used not as an emergency procedure but a form of birth control is what requires cultural and societal pressure. — Buxtebuddha
I was thinking of "not moral" in the sense of "immoral," not as a general category of non-moral things. I think everything that's immoral should be illegal. And in point of fact, most immoral things are already illegal, but not everything, such as abortion. — Thorongil
I might add that you are usually someone who on this forum talks of trade-offs and compromise - well, do you not admit to needing to make compromises and trade-offs with regard to what is or is not acceptable in civilized society or will you bludgeon anyone who disagrees with your appeals to absolute morality? For me the compromise I am willing to make is to champion pro-life and cautious attitudes with regard to sex and procreation, as well as being against publicly funded abortions. And while I get to clamor for these views in the public square, I realize that I'm not going to get everything that I want, which is why I'm willing to allow for privately performed abortions in most cases. — Buxtebuddha
If you want to stop abortion, do what works, not what makes you feel good. — T Clark
So I'm for conception control, I guess, but not post-conception birth control. Once that life is goin, and you don't want it, you dun already fucked up. If you want to compound your mistake and vacuum cleaner it out as Thorongil funnily worded it, then fine. Just don't make me get the blood on my hands for helping to pay for it. — Buxtebuddha
As I said previously, a very humane and practical approach. — T Clark
I also find that eating animal flesh is immoral, but recognize that such an immoral act is sometimes necessary — Buxtebuddha
trade-offs and compromise — Buxtebuddha
I think everything that's immoral should be illegal. — Thorongil
...promiscuous sex so that abortions are not as appallingly common as they are now — Buxtebuddha
it is legal is a fallacious appeal to authority. The same is true tor trying to excuse abortion simply because it is currently legal. — LostThomist
I checked and it's not illegal in the US. — T Clark
I not only practiced homosexuality back when it was both immoral and illegal, I was also promiscuous. It was great. I have no regrets, morally or legally. — Bitter Crank
Well, Buxtebudd, how common do you think abortions are? It would appear that they are at a 45 year low. — Bitter Crank
Technically the most effective "birth" control is not having sex in the first place. But of course people will have sex, protected or no, which is why I do support non-abortion methods of birth control, such that prevent conception, which is really what birth control is. — Buxtebuddha
Abortion, rather than blocking conception, blocks birth. That is, something that blocks conception keeps a life from being made, whereas abortion keeps a life made from living. The former I find no issue with, the latter I'm personally opposed to. — Buxtebuddha
so I don't think Buxte is being hyperbolic if one accepts our premise that abortion is murder. — Thorongil
you can also apply that bumper sticker to: — René Descartes
then why does the U.S still use the death penalty, isn't that murder. — René Descartes
Almost 700,000 abortions per year, in the U.S. alone, is not a small figure, no matter how much it has statistically declined. The 32,000 gun deaths in the U.S. is couched as a nightmarish figure according to my interlocutors in the gun control thread, so I don't think Buxte is being hyperbolic if one accepts our premise that abortion is murder. — Thorongil
So now it's fine to let people commit murder? — René Descartes
I don't know... Firing squad is probably effective, and it's traditional, to boot. So many cartoons feature a firing squad. The last person executed by Firing Squad in Utah was in 2010.
Hanging has a fairly long history of being kind of botchy -- heads ripping off, rope giving way, trap door not opening properly, person not dropping far enough to die quickly, etc. Gas isn't quick enough, and electrocution goes haywire sometimes too. — Bitter Crank
Some people think that murder is just problem resolution by another name — Bitter Crank
There is one report on the execution which says that the firing squad shot once Scott and missed every major organs. They reloaded and shot him again, hitting him once in the chest but not killing him. Then, Riel's general walked up to him and shot him in the face, but apparently only managed to blow away his jaw. They then buried him alive. — Akanthinos
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