...vegan (and possibly vegetarian ethics) hinges on the claim that we don't need to eat meat. — Andrew4Handel
It seems problematic to me that vegan (and possibly vegetarian ethics) hinges on the claim that we don't need to eat meat. — Andrew4Handel
Why do you remain an omnivore, if I may ask? — Thorongil
I can understand a moral argument against abortion, but I continue to support a woman's right to choose. I understand a moral argument for the death penalty, but I continue to oppose it. — T Clark
Yeah, fair enough, but do you have any positive reasons for why you continue eating meat, or it is, as I said in my other comment, simply force of habit? — Thorongil
It seems problematic to me that vegan (and possibly vegetarian ethics) hinges on the claim that we don't need to eat meat. — Andrew4Handel
It seems problematic to me that vegan (and possibly vegetarian ethics) hinges on the claim that we don't need to eat meat. — Andrew4Handel
veganism -- the practice of people who basically hate food — Bitter Crank
Yes, I have chopped the heads off chickens and butchered them. I've seen cows and pigs killed and butchered. It didn't dull my appetite very much. — Bitter Crank
I could tell you that I have high blood sugar and need to eat a low carb diet, which is true, but that would be disingenuous. I like to eat meat. I like the way it tastes, smells, and feels. I don't have moral qualms about using, killing, animals for human purposes. — T Clark
Then you must also have more reasons for eating meat. — Buxtebuddha
From the vegan perspective, the omni diet is rather bland and single-mindedly focused on animal-derived proteins and fats — NKBJ
It doesn't compromise it. It just makes it contextual. I would consider it a moral error for me to steal a loaf of bread in most circumstances. But if it was the only way I could feed a person that was starving, I would not consider it a moral error.Although that said all conduct to survive could compromise morality. So in a sense the amorality or immorality of nature compromises morality anyway. — Andrew4Handel
The argument "I've done x, therefore I do not think x is a bad thing to do" is not very sound. — NKBJ
Clearly you could have been mistaken, and could still be mistaken. — NKBJ
Sorry. You lost me. — T Clark
you must disprove my claim on its own premise without refuting your own. — Buxtebuddha
It seems problematic to me that vegan (and possibly vegetarian ethics) hinges on the claim that we don't need to eat meat.
So that if we were carnivores then there could be no moral issue which seems to be quite an arbitrary point at which to invoke ethics.
I can't figure out exactly how to frame my objection though. But it seems to be that behaviour that is essential for survival cannot be subject to the same type of moral claim as non-survival related conduct.
Although that said all conduct to survive could compromise morality. So in a sense the amorality or immorality of nature compromises morality anyway. — Andrew4Handel
I don't have a problem with the practice of raising animals humanely and then eating them. — Bitter Crank
Sorry, BB, but no, I don't have to. I'm comfortable letting things stand as they are. — T Clark
If you're comfortable being wrong, then that's fine by me, — Buxtebuddha
I don't have a problem with the practice of raising animals humanely and then eating them. — Bitter Crank
Why? — Thorongil
Some animals eat plants, some animals eat other animals. There is nothing superior or inferior about either group, and choosing to be a plant eating animal isn't more moral than being a meat eating animal. — Bitter Crank
I like cooked animal, to start with — Bitter Crank
Is that true? — T Clark
I don't see good grounds for vegans to judge us differently than a lion eating meat and why we are the only species supposed to eat with some ethical dimension. — Andrew4Handel
Who said that? — Thorongil
This dimension is in large measure the very thing that makes us unique as a species... — Thorongil
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