Does it matter why? I'm only arguing that it is a fallacy to claim that in buying meat I'm responsible for the killing if animals,just as it would be a fallacy to claim that in buying stolen diamonds I'm responsible for the theft. — Michael
I never said you are directly responsible for the theft or killing of animals. — chatterbears
I have specifically stated, multiple times, that you are CONTRIBUTING to the killing of animals. Just as you would be CONTRIBUTING to the theft, if you continuously bought from that store. This makes you partially responsible in an indirect manner. — chatterbears
This makes you partially responsible in an indirect manner. — chatterbears
Do you have an argument to back up this claim? — Michael
It's really nonsensical to say you could knowingly be contributing to something immoral, while having the choice not to, and say that doesn't involve you morally. — NKBJ
This is completely irrelevant. Owning slaves was 'just how it was for many people, and it was just how it continued to be for quite some time.' - And the activist against slavery would have been a minority. Just because a group or view is not popular, doesn't mean it is incorrect. You seem to be engaged in an appeal to popularity fallacy. — chatterbears
Same for the slave owner. Here's the slave owner talking: "Why should I care enough to act any differently? The activist against slavery could make their case until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, me likes slaves"
Trying to justify your actions with preference and/or taste pleasure, is a bit absurd. At this point, you seem to hold positions of a person who is morally bankrupt. — chatterbears
Plants are living things but cannot feel pain or suffering, because they do not have a nervous system or a brain. You value life and avoid pain and suffering. Every living creature on this planet (humans included) adheres to that basic level of wanting to live and wanting to avoid pain or suffering. Therefore, we shouldn't be causing pain to others. — chatterbears
It's sensible if you accept that people are free agents and that some other free agent is the direct cause of the immoral act. I'm not morally responsible for what other free agents choose to do, especially when I do not compel or solicit them — Michael
Ad populum. — NKBJ
Excuses for what? I'm not excusing anything. That would imply I was trying to justify something immoral. At most, if we hypothesized that you were right, my arguments are fallacious somehow. But you haven't been able to prove that's the case. — NKBJ
You should learn what an appeal to the masses actually is. It's more than merely using the term "small minority" in a discussion. — Sapientia
Excuses for avoiding properly addressing what I've raised. — Sapientia
What are you even saying here? An absolute sense? We have plant-based alternatives, so how is it necessary at all, let alone in an absolute sense.
Also, there have been MANY things that were 'necessary' to meet a demand. Again, back to slavery. People needed more slaves, so people bought and traded them. Just because there is a demand for something, doesn't mean that thing is actually good or necessary. — chatterbears
You need to explain why you don't feel empathy for a cow, but you do for a human. What is the trait that differentiates the two living beings? — chatterbears
Saying you're a speciesist is the same as saying you're a racist. — chatterbears
You still would. Because you need to explain why you don't feel empathy for a cow, but you do for a human. What is the trait that differentiates the two living beings? — chatterbears
Yes absolutely, but my point still stands. If you believe in universal human rights, that ultimately leads to veganism. The only way to be consistent without being Vegan, is to deny rights to humans. Which, 99% of people would not do, other than psychopaths. — chatterbears
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