All correlation is belief.
— creativesoul
because...? — Banno
It adds no further meaning to belief statements. — creativesoul
That's wrong. Some beliefs can be true, some false; therefore something is added to a belief in its being true. — Banno
I don't see that there is anything here that has not been already covered. — Banno
Well. We're looking for what counts as belief; a criterion of necessary and sufficient conditions which when met by a candidate warrants our calling that candidate "belief". Belief must be meaningful, and it must presuppose truth. Those are necessary because if we remove either, what's left cannot count as belief.
So... all correlation is belief because all correlation attributes meaning(by virtue of drawing correlations) as well as presupposes the existence of it's own content(regardless of subsequent further qualification). Statements presuppose truth. Belief prior to language presupposes truth in the aforementioned manner(all correlation presupposes the existence of it's own content). — creativesoul
Let's get back on track. If the keys are in the kitchen, we say "the keys are in the kitchen" or, perhaps even "it is true that the keys are in the kitchen" in order to really push the point.
We sometimes use talk of belief to distinguish what is true from what is false - I searched the kitchen because I believed the keys were there, but as it turns out I was wrong.
Compare:
Pat searched the kitchen because he believed that his keys were there.
with
Pat searched the kitchen because there was a good chance his keys were there.
The notion of belief is used to bring out the difference between the keys being in the kitchen and one's thinking that the keys are in the kitchen - between being true and being acknowledged or accepted as true.
Now I take that to be the very common sense explanation you seem to think I deny. — Banno
The notion I am playing with is that we get the order of the explanation wrong.
It's not:
Pat believes the keys are in the Kitchen
So, all things being equal, Pat will search in the kitchen
but
Pat searched in the kitchen
Therefore Pat says he believes the keys are in the kitchen — Banno
Probability?
I don't think so. I think we are using belief here simply to mark the fact that the keys might not be in the kitchen. — Banno
might be wrong.common sense order of explanation — Sapientia
In any case, what's wrong with "I don't believe that the keys are in the kitchen, but I can't find them anywhere else, so I will search there anyway"? — Banno
In any case, what's wrong with "I don't believe that the keys are in the kitchen, but I can't find them anywhere else, so I will search there anyway"? — Banno
Why say that he searched the kitchen because he believed the keys were there, rather than he searched the kitchen because the keys were there? — Banno
I'm suggesting that it's because the keys might not be in the kitchen. On this I suspect we agree. — Banno
I am also sugesting we consider some more recent moves in our understanding of consciousness, such that it might be that our
common sense order of explanation
— Sapientia
might be wrong.
It's not rational counter to this, to simply repeat that our common sense order is right. — Banno
I don't see that there is anything here that has not been already covered. — Banno
I am also sugesting we consider some more recent moves in our understanding of consciousness... — Banno
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