huh? This is a non-sequitur. Why must people agree en masse for morality to be objective? — darthbarracuda
If you see an elephant and no one else can see it, the objective reality of the elephant becomes increasingly less likely. — Marcus de Brun
They differ to some degree. I'm not aware of anyone who likes to be sick all the time for instance however. — mcc1789
What are your thoughts, then, on moral progress? Civil rights advocacy? — darthbarracuda
So were Galileo or Copernicus wrong when they said heliocentrism was true because most astronomers didn't agree at the time? — mcc1789
That's absurd. Are you saying until then the earth really was the center of the solar system? — mcc1789
The 'moral progress' of the white westerner comes at the cost of continued slavery, in the 'third world' and the moral ugliness of humanity is lately transferred onto the other species with whom we share the earth. — Marcus de Brun
'Moral progress' my arse, humanity is as ugly as he has ever been, perhaps more so when one considers what morals might be achieved at the cost of his guns. — Marcus de Brun
However my point is certain facts exist independent of opinion. Do you disagree? — mcc1789
That the sun will rise and set is independent of my opinion. Whether or not I happen to agree with it, this will happen nonetheless. That is simply one example. — mcc1789
But we can and must make a distinction between the past and the present. And we have made progress, even if it doesn't justify the carnage that we have and continue to inflict on ourselves, other species and the planet at large. — darthbarracuda
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