There is need for clarity. This is how the site works. The owner sets it up, recruits some folks he has some regard for to help him, and other folks vote with their presence or absence. It's not a democracy, and while we all like to argue about rules and principles, decisions are made by the aforementioned offensive fuckers according to the kind of stuff they like and don't like to see. The guidelines give a general indication of what that is, and those that don't understand them or don't wish to abide by them are probably going to have problems with the site.
The internet is too big and people are too ridiculous to be able to operate without blinkers and get even part way round the course. — unenlightened
I did disagree with the decision to fold a poster's topic into a kind of trash-bin thread, but I didn't address it directly because the damage was done. I did comment in that thread that beliefs shouldn't be thought of as moral or immoral. That attitude actually closes down the possibility of discussion, and I believe Unenlightened's totalitarian demeanor does as well.Do you actually have an issue with the moderation, or just with something that Un said? — shmik
Paul did admit to me that the old forum was over-moderated in regard to banning. He explained how that situation evolved. I've no issues at all with any of the mods feeling the need to be heavy handed except Unenlightened, who is falling into the exactly the same "I'm the thought-police" attitude that he had at the old forum. As I said, I don't think it's necessary.There's a bit of a better vibe than the old place, there isn't the same feeling that everyone's head is just a couple bad posts from being on the chopping block. Maybe that's just an illusion since it's mostly the same mods here anyway. — shmik
...considering this forum is just a handful of people, most of whom know each other, that the moderators and admins draw on the advantages of community — Mongrel
There's a bit of a better vibe than the old place, there isn't the same feeling that everyone's head is just a couple bad posts from being on the chopping block. Maybe that's just an illusion since it's mostly the same mods here anyway. — shmik
I think you've taken un up the wrong way. To say it's not a democracy here is just a fact. Neither the site owners nor the mods are elected, and it's not practical to hold referendums on moderating decisions. That doesn't mean we don't consider the needs of the community as a whole here or how they like to see things handled. — Baden
In that statement, Un. said that members vote with their presence, which I took as an invitation to leave. — Mongrel
I would like to see Un endorse your statement that the moderators are interested in how the whole community thinks and feels. — Mongrel
It's not a democracy, and while we all like to argue about rules and principles, decisions are made by the aforementioned offensive fuckers according to the kind of stuff they like and don't like to see — unenlightened
I did comment in that thread that beliefs shouldn't be thought of as moral or immoral. That attitude actually closes down the possibility of discussion, and I believe Unenlightened's totalitarian demeanor does as well. — Mongrel
Come on, guys. His statement very clearly indicates that he has no interest in what anyone "likes to see" other than himself and the other moderators. You think I misunderstood him?
Really? — Mongrel
So, I don't know if Un was drinking when he wrote this, but no one was called an offensive fucker. I told him he didn't need to be fucking offensive, referring to dictatorial tone he had just taken with another poster.
Come on, guys. His statement very clearly indicates that he has no interest in what anyone "likes to see" other than himself and the other moderators. You think I misunderstood him?
Really? — Mongrel
Un's remark there was clearly tongue-in-cheek, and therefore shouldn't be taken so seriously. — Sapientia
I'm not apologizing for it. I found Un's "I'm in charge and nobody gives a shit what you think" schtick to be unacceptable at the old forum. I'd rather not see it start up here.But seriously, what's with all this drama on the forum tonight? — Sapientia
I found Un's "I'm in charge and nobody gives a shit what you think" schtick to be unacceptable at the old forum. I'd rather not see it start up here. — Mongrel
I would like to see Un endorse your statement that the moderators are interested in how the whole community thinks and feels. — Mongrel
I see that comment as unnecessary. There's no need to set that tone or create a clear divide between posters and mods. — shmik
I am very interested in how the community thinks and feels — unenlightened
It is curious, given that I have made not a single edit, deletion, move, or ban, that my statement of fact is being called offensive, totalitarian, unnecessary, and so on. — unenlightened
It was unnecessary and it was the kind of comment I've seen from you many times. — Mongrel
Generally speaking, I have found this forum to be congenial and the moderating pretty light. — Wayfarer
These things must be tolerated by them in feedback for the sake of openness, but they do not have to like it or be impressed by it, any more than you have to like my tone in responding to such nonsense. — unenlightened
There is need for clarity. This is how the site works. The owner sets it up, recruits some folks he has some regard for to help him, and other folks vote with their presence or absence. It's not a democracy, and while we all like to argue about rules and principles, decisions are made by the aforementioned offensive fuckers according to the kind of stuff they like and don't like to see. The guidelines give a general indication of what that is, and those that don't understand them or don't wish to abide by them are probably going to have problems with the site.
The internet is too big and people are too ridiculous to be able to operate without blinkers and get even part way round the course. — unenlightened — Mongrel
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