heard her specifically mention Kavanaugh as being the one who assaulted her way before he was being considered for this post. — Baden
That's beside the point. If Ford is telling the truth, then Kavanaugh is lying to Congress and that's sufficient reason to deny his promotion.It doesn't matter how many people heard her discuss Kavanaugh's behavior. It wasn't criminal when it happened and being brought up 35 years later doesn't make it criminal now, either. — Bitter Crank
But then you go to the other extreme and simply reject her out of hand even before she has a chance to tell her story. — Baden
is too much to ask — StreetlightX
and for simply being denied a promotion (or equivalent) a lower level yet — Baden
The good christian virgin must have come in for a bit of ribbing from his Frat-bros, eh? — unenlightened
You've been busy positioning yourself as an avid supporter of the metoo movement, whatever you're going to say about that. That's the bottom line underneath all your many arguments. Your intentions are good, and I share your support of metoo. But, your analysis of what is good for the metoo movement is less than fully sophisticated. — Jake
it LOOKS very much like a political smear job. — Jake
Do you see the irony here? — Baden
little evidence. — Jake
I understand your general point, but it's not a particular claimant's fault there isn't much evidence to support them. — Baden
1) You profess to be worried that sexual assault victims will be not be believed, but you discourage them to come forward except on certain conditions which would preclude many of them of having a chance of being believed. — Baden
You object to assault victims being believed when evidence is lacking, — Baden
but you actively discredit Blasey Ford as being involved in a political smear job on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. — Baden
You say it "looks" like a political smear job. OK, and Kavanaugh "looks" guilty. Where does that leave us? — Baden
You object to assault victims being believed when evidence is lacking,
— Baden
No, I did not say that. — Jake
but you actively discredit Blasey Ford as being involved in a political smear job on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
— Baden
No, I did not say that either. — Jake
Three separate accounts, two notorious fraternity memberships maybe doesn't add up to a conviction, but neither does it subtract down to an unsupported claim. — unenlightened
So, you don't object to assault victims being believed when evidence is lacking? — Baden
So, you don't believe Blasey Ford's accusations are part of a political smear job? — Baden
A solution to this problem would be much more compelling evidence, such as for example, the 2nd man said to be in the rape room coming forward to confirm Ford's story. — Jake
Those perceptions of smear job motivation are reasonable, given the highly precise timing of the claims. — Jake
If these claims were being leveled against me, a total nobody, they would have far more credibility because nobody is going to get rich, famous, or obtain political advantage by accusing me. Thus, all those agendas removed, a search for justice becomes the leading theory. — Jake
Yeah, but actually that's bollocks. Whistleblowers of all sorts nearly always pay a huge price, and the higher up the hierarchy their complaint is directed the more they are discredited penalised and so on. One typically becomes unemployable as soon as one makes this sort of complaint, and the success rate in terms of gaining any tangible advantage is minuscule. — unenlightened
I'm not going to discuss this with you any further until you at least go and read Blasey Ford's letter outlining her allegations as we can't have a sensible conversation until you know what you're talking about. — Baden
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