I meant that I need a moral premise that is self evident that no one can disagree with (just repeating). That's all. The no one does thing meant that if everyone agrees on a moral premise but it is not self evident then it is still not a moral premise (because someone is eventually going to disagree)

Sure; how is the moral premise that killing someone is wrong not self-evident?

it isn't

And why does a moral premise need to be self-evident for you?

for it to be objective

I asked "how".

What does "objective" mean for you?

objective = self evident to all observers

"Self evident to all observers" is an impossible state of affairs.

I asked "how". — Noble Dust

I don't think it IS self evident in the first place

why

So demonstrate how that is the case.

"something exists" seems pretty self evident to all observers

Use your imagination.

you might want to see the title of the discussion 4 down from this (the one that I started)

oh you're asking how it might be objective that killing someone is wrong?

Or I might not; feel free to respond to my prompt.

Yes.

I can't think of a way. Let's say it's impossible

No, let's stall there. Why is it impossible?

ok I'm fine with stalling. Because what you consider to be morally good or bad is ultimately a subjective perception meaning that it can never be made known to other observers nor can it be confirmed that they have that same perception.

Woah, let's back up; I asked why it's impossible for it to be objective that killing is wrong.

murder can never become self evidently bad because it is not a logical contradiction for it to be good

another way to say it is that it simply possible to disagree about whether or not murder is wrong but one cannot disagree about whether or not one exists (THAT'S a self evident truth, has no moral implications though :confused: )

What?...

so say:

"Is it morally bad to kill Hitler?"

Is there any room for disagreement on that question?

if the answer is yes then it is not self evident and thus not objective

"If the answer is yes" to what question?

on the other hand
"Something exists"

Is there any room for disagreement on that statement? No. My standard for morality is that high