The world is the totality of fact not things.
What doe this mean to you? — Posty McPostface
What doe this mean to you? — Posty McPostface
What are the facts about?
I can only see one answer. — Sir2u
I would say it is an attempt to come to terms with modern physics; substance dissolves under the microscope into fields, probabilities, relations. Things are made of atoms, but atoms are not things.
Process and relation are the new 'substances', and so 'atomism' becomes a theory of human understanding (logic) rather than a claim about the world. — unenlightened
To say that they are not things because they are the basic blocks to build things with is akin to saying bricks are not things because they are just the basic parts of a house. — Sir2u
2.0 What is the case, the fact, is the existence of atomic facts.
2.01 An atomic fact is a combination of objects (entities, things).
It is not a mere matter of classification, but the discovery that 'thinginess' as in having a definite size, shape, position, — unenlightened
these are emergent properties, not fundamental ones. — unenlightened
Like Banno's red mug(or was it a cup). It had a definite size, shape, color but not position. He sometimes left in the kitchen sometimes on the porch. Because it had those characteristics it was Banno's red cup, but the characteristics themselves do not make the mug. There has to be an object to describe. — Sir2u
I would say it is an attempt to come to terms with modern physics; substance dissolves under the microscope into fields, probabilities, relations. Things are made of atoms, but atoms are not things. Process and relation are the new 'substances', and so 'atomism' becomes a theory of human understanding (logic) rather than a claim about the world. — unenlightened
Not according to the coordinate space between Banno and the cup. Or even panpsychism, — Posty McPostface
I heard the next big thing in science is string theory. So, it might strings all the way down. — Posty McPostface
The world is not a mere collection of things, but also consists in their relations to, and interactions with, one another. Those relations and interactions are states of affairs, which according to Wittgenstein, are synonymous with facts.
So, I don't read the statement as saying that the world is the totality of facts as opposed to things, but as asserting the inclusion of the relations and interactions along with the things. I think it also points to the fact that things are themselves concatenations of relations and interactions, and are only in a merely formal sense, identities that are transcendent of relations and interactions.. — Janus
The limits of our language are the limits of our world.
Facts are odd things; they are both of language, and of the world. There is a way of understanding a fact that is not given in saying that fact, but shown in using it. — Banno
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