What are your thoughts on the Principle of Bipolarity and Wittgenstein? — Posty McPostface
Atomic facts are constituted by objects that make up the substance in the world (or logical space if you prefer the original terminology). — Posty McPostface
It is a persuasive thought no? — Posty McPostface
The world isn't made up of things. The world is made up of a particular arrangement of things. Things don't tell us anything. So facts are the arrangement of things in a particular way. The world is the world because things are the way they are in a particular way — Sam26
So which came first, the picture or the thing that is made up in the arrangement described in the picture? — Sir2u
So which came first, the picture or the thing that is made up in the arrangement described in the picture? — Sir2u
It would seem that you have to have the facts, or the possibility of those facts in order to create the picture. — Sam26
You can't have the picture unless there is something to picture, so the picture isn't first. — Sam26
Both, I think. — Posty McPostface
So objects are independent of their properties but the properties are dependent on the objects. — Sir2u
Are you talking about Wittgensteinian objects, i.e., the objects of the Tractatus? You seem to be talking about objects like apples, trees, persons, etc. Your question may still be valid, but I'm trying to get clear on what you mean by objects. — Sam26
Wittgenstein said, if I remember correctly from so long ago something about the world being described properly only when it is described down to its atomic components. So surely the whole of the world would be included. But I have not read him for a long time so I might be wrong. — Sir2u
Objects are simple, they are the simplest constituent part of a fact that occupy space, but nowhere does Wittgenstein give an example of an object. They are simply requirements of his logical analysis. They are not things like, apples, trees, cars, mountains, numbers, properties, etc. — Sam26
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