You'd believe in God to the extent that you have some concept/understanding of God, and you'd be able to describe the concept/understanding that you believe. — Terrapin Station
You'd believe in God to the extent that you have some concept/understanding of God, and you'd be able to describe the concept/understanding that you believe. — Terrapin Station
1) Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, — Michael Ossipoff
Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, other than in its own context (...in particular, in some absolute sense (whatever that would mean) as Materialists believe)? — Michael Ossipoff
Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, — Michael Ossipoff
.What I mean to say on this matter can be said briefly:
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1) Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, other than in its own context (...in particular, in some absolute sense (whatever that would mean) as Materialists believe)?
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2)...because, if not, then this physical world doesn't exist in any sense or context other than that in which exists the setting of your life-experience-story, a hypothetical system of inter-referring abstract implications about propositions about hypothetical things. ...which, too, exists and is real in its own context (if "exist" and "real" mean anything).
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3)...in which case, what reason would there be to believe that this physical world is other than the setting in that hypothetical experience-story, which is an inevitable logical system. ...which needs no existence or reality other than in its own context?
Terrapin Station then continued:1) Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, — Michael Ossipoff
.Which is essentially asking whether it's possible to persuade someone of something when the person in question has psychological issues
., where either they're delusional
.or they're stuck in an early stage of development
.…troubled people…
1) Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, other than in its own context (...in particular, in some absolute sense (whatever that would mean) as Materialists believe)?
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2)...because, if not, then this physical world doesn't exist in any sense or context other than that in which exists the setting of your life-experience-story . . .
.”1) Can anyone show that this physical world exists or is real, other than in its own context (...in particular, in some absolute sense (whatever that would mean) as Materialists believe)?
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2)...because, if not, then this physical world doesn't exist in any sense or context other than that in which exists the setting of your life-experience-story . . .”—Michael Ossipoff
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For one, this seems to amount to a belief that "If P can not be demonstrated, then not-P."
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But why wouldn't you require that just as much for P="The physical world is not real"?
.For one, this seems to amount to a belief that "If P can not be demonstrated, then not-P."
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But why wouldn't you require that just as much for P="The physical world is not real"?
We won't know what the mind is compared with the body until we die and our bodies dissolve or vaporize back into their basic chemical elements and compounds. In the meantime such speculation is rather inaccurate. — hks
We won't know what the mind is compared with the body... — hks
...until we die and our bodies dissolve or vaporize back into their basic chemical elements and compounds.
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*(As I mean “describable”, something is describable iff there’s nothing about it that can’t, in principle, be described by humans. I express that distinction because it can’t be shown that all of Reality is describable by that definition.) — Michael Ossipoff
Maybe "Matters about which provable things can be said" would be a better way to say what I've meant by "the describable realm". — Michael Ossipoff
Maybe "Matters of fact" should be replaced by "Matters of provable fact" — Michael Ossipoff
I don't agree that knowledge requires any sort of certainty. — Terrapin Station
I'd say that a proposition is proved if it has been shown that it amounts to a tautology. — Michael Ossipoff
a proposed implication is an implication if it can be shown that its consequent is just another way of saying its antecedent. — Michael Ossipoff
.For one, I don't agree that knowledge requires any sort of certainty.
.Re descriptions, in my view a description is any set of words that an individual takes as sufficient to bring to mind some features and/or relations of whatever is being described, so that the individual can picture the thing in question from some perspective, whether that's memory-based or purely imagination-based.
.According to my dictionary (I checked :wink:), this means:
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"I'd say that a proposition is proved if it has been shown that it is necessarily true."
This looks like the other definition of "tautology" in my dictionary: "useless repetition".
…and is proved if shown to be necessarily true..
Something is true if it's true. Hmm.
.ETA: You are right to combine "proof" and "true"
.; they belong together in our thoughts. So I'm not being pedantic here, but only trying to understand what you have written, and what you might have meant by it.
.”a proposed implication is an implication if it can be shown that its consequent is just another way of saying its antecedent.” — Michael Ossipoff
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This confuses me more. I read this as saying that "a proposed implication is an implication if it can be shown that what results from it is the same as what came before it." I can't make sense of this, I'm afraid.
I won’t claim to know what “ETA” means. Estimated time of arrival? — Michael Ossipoff
You can’t tell someone what the smell of mint is like. — Michael Ossipoff
No description is like what it's a description of. — Terrapin Station
As before, you can say it how you want to. But you seem to be saying that you’re re-wording it in a way that doesn’t mean anything to you.
Speaking of re-wording, you could say that a proposed implication is an implication if its consequent can be shown to be a re-wording of its antecedent. — Michael Ossipoff
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