Aside from that, pleasure and pain don't by conventional definition pertain to moral good and bad — Terrapin Station
Moral good/bad is about whether we inflict emotional or physical pain on ourselves and each other. So morality is fundamentally about pleasure/pain. — Devans99
Don't you think that what people are doing in defining it is attempting an abstraction/general/overarching conception of their intuitions? — Terrapin Station
You would certainly not call a painful injury good so by process of elimination it must be evil? — Devans99
I think that you cannot justify the step of going from pain to evil and pleasure to good. Pain and pleasure refer to feelings/sensations whereas good and evil are more conceptual and evaluative — Andrew4Handel
Another example is that people including Michael J Fox claim that a serious illness turned them into a better person. Hedonism can be seen as selfish and debauched or shallow — Andrew4Handel
Treat all others, as you wish to be treated!!! — NotesOfAMan
More specifically, emotional reaction absolutely is not the only base for decision making for all people and animals — NotesOfAMan
Because one must have a goal to find something useful. My goal was to see whether or not my idea holds up by exposing it to criticism. You have yet to provide reasonable criticism or reasonable approval. Therefore, you have yet to say anything useful regarding my goal.So why is it only in this thread and from me that there's nothing useful for you if I'm not falsifying something you said, but in other contexts and/or from other people, they can be useful if they're not falsifying something you said? — Terrapin Station
I think it is more labeling as opposed to abstracting. — Andrew4Handel
But what are the motivations of humans/animals? They seek physical/emotional pleasure and shun physical/emotional pain. There are no other motives. — Devans99
I have the motive of gaining knowledge and finding the truth. — Andrew4Handel
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