A: What's the weather doing?
B: It's raining. — Herg
A: What's the bumble bee doing?
B: It's raining.
So "it" refers to the bumble bee.
The conversation makes no sense, but the syntactic connection is sound. In your conversation "it" refers to the weather; in mine to the bumble bee. But it's a question of syntax, not semantics.
Does it matter that your conversation makes sense and mine doesn't, for determining reference? — Dawnstorm
There are two possible readings of your "B: It's raining.", as follows:
1. 'It' refers to the bumble bee. In this case, since a bumble bee can't rain, the speaker is uttering nonsense.
2. (much more likely in real life) 'It' refers to the weather, and B is not answering A at all.
So semantics matters. You can't simply assume that in 'it's raining', 'it' refers to the subject of the most recent sentence uttered. As Terrapin Station has said, 'it' is indexical, and in any sentence about the weather, suich as 'it is raining' or 'it is sunny', 'it' refers to the weather. — Herg
'it' is indexical, and in any sentence about the weather, 'it is raining' or 'it is sunny', 'it' refers to the weather. — Herg
The "it" in "it is raining" cannot syntactically refer to the weather in the trivial way the "it" does in "it is sunny" because the syntax differs. — Baden
But you have changed 'weather' to 'day' here, and so you're attacking a straw man.The "it" in "it is raining" cannot syntactically refer to the weather in the trivial way the "it" does in "it is sunny" because the syntax differs. This is made obvious when you consider that "a sunny day" is a correct form but "a raining day" isn't. The day can be "sunny" but the day cannot be "raining". Rather, it can be rainy. — Baden
To me this seems rather less straightforward than the view that "it" in "it is raining" refers to something. I suggest that what has actually happened here is that what it refers to (the weather) is no longer overtly mentioned because it is almost always the weather, and nothing else, that is raining, and so there's usually no need to mention the weather explicitly.the most straightforward and commonly accepted logical analysis of the former is the non-indexical dummy pronoun angle, — Baden
It is also possible to have this exchange:
A: What's the rain doing?
B: It's raining. — Herg
incidentally, by Shakespeare, in the Fool's song from 'Twelfth Night' ("For the rain it raineth every day"). — Herg
The "it" in "it is raining" cannot syntactically refer — Baden
What refers, and the way it refers, is purely a matter of how an individual thinks about it. — Terrapin Station
Communication doesn't hinge on syntax referring or on reference being something non-mental. — Terrapin Station
Aren't we not supposed to be trolling on this board? — Terrapin Station
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