I don't own a rocker, so it's not my rocker that I'm off, I'm off all the rockers.You are really off your rocker. — Terrapin Station
This is like saying “t-shirts are not clothes though, they are t-shirts. You violate the law of identity if you say t-shirts are clothes” and in the context of this discussion you then use that statement to conclude that there are no clothes, or people cannot experience clothes but somehow still experience t-shirts.
Im afraid your a bit confused here. — DingoJones
It might be worth talking to someone who isn't as trollish, confused or insane as Metaphysician Undercover. What I said above about this was:
"How do we get to the point of saying that matter is an idea? — Terrapin Station
The idea is that the behavior of things would be random if nothing determined it to be invariant or regular; if there were no universal principles, in other words. Why would you expect things to behave invariantly across vast regions energetically separate from one another, or even locally, if nothing determined that? — Janus
What you have given here is just a bunch of words, a trite formula, that really explains nothing — Janus
So, what is nominalism as explained in physicalist terms? — Janus
But what are those universal regularities if they are anything beyond our conceptions of them? — Janus
I already answered that. They're properties of the particulars in question. There's no reason to expect the properties of the particulars in question to be random. — Terrapin Station
Random behavior is unregulated (that's what 'random' means); so if there were no laws to regulate the behavior of phenomena, then the behavior of phenomena would be random. — Janus
here is a universal web of regularity or invariance which seems to unify the individual regularities and invariances across all space and time. — Janus
"Random" means that if there were 5 possible properties, then over many iterations, 1 is going to occur 20% of the time, 2 is going to occur 20% of the time, etc., for no reason/just arbitrarily. — Terrapin Station
Thank You!!
This is the best response I've received so far to the point I've been trying to make. Unfortunately, I have to go to class. I'll respond later. — Harry Hindu
No, that limited notion of randomness always already presupposes the operation of natural laws. If things were truly random, no such statistical regularities would reliably occur. — Janus
Don't be obtuse: it refers to the idea that natural invariance manifests across all space and time — Janus
I can't think how it would be possible to avoid statistical regularlties. If there are multiple possibilites, either they're all going to occur more or less evenly or some are going to occur significantly more than others, and both of those will appear to be regularlities. — Terrapin Station
Actually that's not true. Their always occurring more or less evenly is a regularity. There not always occurring more or less evenly would be a true randomness. — Janus
So you don't know what it means to say that natural invariance manifests across all space and time? — Janus
Okay but if 1 and 2 (out of 5 possibilities) occur the vast majority of the time, then that would simply appear to be a "law" that either 1 or 2. — Terrapin Station
But if nothing occurred "the vast majority of the time" that wouold be true randomness. — Janus
No, I'm not sure what that's supposed to refer to, because all I believe exists are particulars. — Terrapin Station
You don't have to believe in something to know what it means, do you? — Janus
Putting it differently do you believe the behavior of particulars (in the broadest sense of course!) is invariant across all space and time? — Janus
Then we're going to tend toward all the possibilities occuring more or less evenly, which is what you said wasn't randomness.
Again, given a set of possibilities, there are only two choices:
(1) all the possibilities occur more or less an even number of times
(2) some of the possibilities occur a significant number of times more than others — Terrapin Station
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