Given that you are happy to pay £13billion in fees, £4billion in fish, £4billion in benefits to EU citizens, to sustain a £95billion deficit in traded goods, for whatever benefit you think you get in return, why does no other country pay the same? — Inis
I believe Project Fear has such a device, though it seems to be malfunctioning for the last couple of years. — Inis
You can cherry pick stats until the cows come home, but I'm siding with the economists on this one. — S
Sure, but why is UK expected to pay so much, when no other country does? Germany pays more in fees, but is vastly over compensated in surplus in trade of goods.
The customs union cannat be called "free-trade" when it costs the UK so much. — Inis
I don't know whether or not what you're saying is true, but if your purpose in saying it is to dissuade me from the notion that our membership of the European Union is the best thing since sliced bread, then there's no need for it. I just think that it's better than the available alternatives. — S
Being an open free-trading democracy, is always better than the alternatives. — Inis
No, it's a matter of priorities. When comparing an open free-trading democracy to alternative democracies, my priority is what makes us economically better off. — S
Many people prefer to live in a sovereign democracy than a undemocratic burgeoning police-state, even if that state invests a great deal of your money into propaganda. — Inis
If your only concern is your wallet, it might be worth noting that UK would be bankrupt if it were not for its profitable trade with the Rest of the World. — Inis
It's not my only concern, but it's a primary concern. And prior to the referendum, we were not at risk of going bankrupt as a result of losing profitable trade with the rest of the world, so what you're saying is misleading. We would continue to profitably trade with the rest of the world in or out of the European Union. — S
Less than 8% of UK GDP has anything to do with selling goods to EU, according to the EU Commission. They don't want your stuff, they just want your money, your fish, and £4billion in benefits. — Inis
why does no other country pay the same? — Inis
Because very few countries are as rich as we are? Only five countries in the whole world (which boasts hundreds of countries) have more than we do. And besides, I thought Germany paid more than we do, and maybe other members too? — Pattern-chaser
Of these "hundreds of countries", how many of them give away a £4billion fishing industry, pay £4billion in benefits to citizens of neighbouring countries, suffer a £95billion deficit in traded goods, and pay £13billion for the privilege?
Why would any sane country do that? — Inis
Unfortunately, the exotic spresm that is Brexit can't be unspressed without consequence. — S
Can’t be followed through without consequence either. And as I’ve said before, my crystal ball is telling me that the consequences of Brexit - especially a No Deal Brexit - would be worse than the consequences of revoking Article 50. — Michael
We could leave the WTO as well - imposing its rules on us undemocratically. — unenlightened
I think people are seriously misjudging the mood of the British. — Inis
The British are desperate and angry. Unfortunately at entirely the wrong people. That something is popular does not prevent it from being a disaster. But you miss the point as usual. The WTO is an international governing body like the EU. We could leave, and take back control. It would be another really bad idea. — unenlightened
If you are a British citizen living in Finland, here is what we recommend you to do:
•Register your right of residence in Finland, if you have not done that already.
The registration might be of advantage if the United Kingdom decides to withdraw from the EU and British citizens are required to apply for a residence permit in Finland in the same way as any other so called third-country nationals.
The registration might be of advantage if the United Kingdom decides to withdraw from the EU and British citizens are required to apply for a residence permit in Finland in the same way as any other so called third-country nationals — ssu
Same applies across the EU. — Inis
Except Britain, of course, which has to put up with hordes of Finns coming here to take advantage of the wonderful happy life that we all lead here with our super-generous benefits system and state of the art health service. — unenlightened
I don't think there is a large Finnish population in UK, but there are a million Poles, and approaching four million EU citizens in total. — Inis
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