Computer simulation is the reproduction of the behavior of a system using a computer to simulate ... — T Clark
A sufficiently detailed and complex simulation of a universe would be indistinguishable from a "real" one. I'd go further and say they are the same thing. — T Clark
I can't make sense of that claim at all. — fishfry
I'm not a computer guy or a physicis — T Clark
The universe on a computer we're discussing is not a model of some other universe outside the computer. It is it's own separate phenomenon. — T Clark
You could read the links I gave if you chose to. Claiming ignorance isn't much of an argument. — fishfry
you've presented no evidence or argument that the universe is computable. — fishfry
To me a strong meta-argument against the computable universe is the timeliness of the argument. The ancient Romans built great waterworks, and they thought the mind was a flow. In the Newtonian age we thought the mind was a mechanical device. Now in the computer age we think the mind is a computer. Any metaphysical speculation that claims the world or the mind is made up of the latest technology is suspect for exactly that reason. The theory is as historically contingent as the technology. — fishfry
All descriptions of the universe are metaphors, stories — T Clark
I was hoping someone with more knowledge would speak up and clarify. — T Clark
Of course. But that is not what the OP claims. The OP claims that the world IS a computer. That claim is false for any number of reasons which I'm happy to debate. But now you don't even seem to be making that claim. If you're not talking about the subject of the thread, that explains a lot. You changed the subject evidently. Read the OP's post. OP thinks the world is a computer. I do not think the world is a computer. — fishfry
The OP claims that the world IS a computer.... That's the point I'm discussing. If you're discussing some other point (metaphors) you are in a different conversation. — fishfry
....you appear to lack the requisite knowledge to discuss it.
Thats no problem, I'd be glad to explain it to you. But with your attitude I see no reason to bother. — fishfry
I was hoping someone with more knowledge would speak up and clarify. — T Clark
Calculation is not the same as simulation — T Clark
The OP specifically referenced the idea of a computable universe. If you have a different definition of simulation, please supply it so that we can know what you are talking about. — fishfry
Could God not just have built a computer with us as disembodied programs? — Devans99
Then I thought, maybe if I was God, I’d do something like Tron
Tron was a movie about a computer.
— Devans99
Have a virtual world — Devans99
with immortal ‘programs’
Programs.
— Devans99
1. Computers break down — Devans99
2. Maybe AI is not true life? — Devans99
Could God embody a computer program with emotions? — Devans99
3. Who wants to be a disembodied program? — Devans99
This is not true. Not even close. — T Clark
You say the OP was not about computers. Ok. Then just tell us what you think it was about. — fishfry
The OP specifically referenced the idea of a computable universe. — fishfry
Of course the OP and the entire thread is about computers. — T Clark
The OP specifically referenced the idea of a computable universe. — fishfry
But you keep saying that I'm misunderstanding the OP. Ok fine. I accept that for sake of discussion. So tell me what you think the post is about. — fishfry
maybe if I was God, I’d do something like Tron. Have a virtual world, with immortal ‘programs’ that never experience pain or suffering as the intelligent entities..... Any thoughts? — Devans99
You did make the statement that you think the actual universe and an inaccurate simulation of a historically contingent model of the universe are "the same." — fishfry
A universe resulting from a computer built and programmed by a being beyond our current understanding that cannot be differentiated from the physical universe described by science is exactly the same as that physical universe. — T Clark
A sufficiently detailed and complex simulation of a universe would be indistinguishable from a "real" one. I'd go further and say they are the same thing. — T Clark
All in all, your posts have been relevant to the OP. I don't have any problems on that score. — T Clark
That's not the same as what you claimed I wrote. — T Clark
A sufficiently detailed and complex simulation of a universe would be indistinguishable from a "real" one. I'd go further and say they are the same thing. — T Clark
The computable universe hypothesis is in the air, put forth by people smarter than me. I disagree with it. — fishfry
A sufficiently detailed and complex simulation of a universe would be indistinguishable from a "real" one. I'd go further and say they are the same thing. — T Clark
Building a computer seems to require a universe in which to build... — Banno
I did try to discuss my understanding of some of the metaphysical implications of such a view. — T Clark
We're not getting anywhere. We both just keep repeating the same things over and over again. I think it's time to give up on this subject for now. No reason you can't keep it going with others. — T Clark
made perfectly sensible points that were different from what I said earlier. I'm making an earnest effort to understand your point of view. I regret that you don't see it that way. — fishfry
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