Everything is subjective. — Brett
That’s what meant by everything is subjective. I was agreeing. — Brett
It is if we’re talking about it, though. — Brett
See if this analogy helps (I don't expect it to convince, but hopefully at least understand where we are coming from):
Tom is an Ice Cream aficionado. Tom knows more about ice cream than anyone alive. He eats ice cream twice per day. He has read everything ever written about ice cream. He knows every major company, every flavor. He knows how it is made. He knows how to serve it. And far more I can not even think of because I don't know ice cream that well.
Therefor when Tom says that "Rocky Road is the best flavor of ice cream" he is correct right? Even for someone who is allergic to nuts? What if I like fruit flavors more than chocolate?
It is not a matter of COULD be wrong. There is no wrong. — ZhouBoTong
By the way, after completing a few high school literary analyses, it will feel easy to find depth and complexity in any story (whether the author actually intended it to be read that way is a different story). — ZhouBoTong
So what we can learn from these authors is that many people have read their works and written about the experience? WHAT was actually learned? The difference between good and evil? Human nature? How to fake (not) your death so you can elope with your 13 year old girlfriend that you have known for 3 days? — ZhouBoTong
However, I DO consider all opinions on what is better sky or water to be equal. — ZhouBoTong
Good and evil are not inherent to any type of being. Notice it is not people vs robots. There are good and bad people and good and bad robots. There are good and bad Americans, and good and bad people from other countries. Sometimes good people do bad things, and some people are just jerks. Sounds like Shakespeare — ZhouBoTong
Huh? How is "I don't like it" haughty? I take it one step further and say "prove to me that it is better than any other art." I do write in a very matter-of-fact tone and I have been told it comes across as condescending - if so I am sorry, that is never my intention. But I don't think anything I said implies any type of superiority - my entire argument is that it is a given that Shakespeare (etc) is superior and I am challenging that. — ZhouBoTong
I see things a bit differently. — T Clark
I've found that, even if I don't particularly like a type of music, jazz for example, listening to a knowledgeable jazz DJ is really eye opening and satisfying. — T Clark
One of the local papers had a wonderful restaurant critic. — T Clark
He had an educated taste that he loved to share with other people. — T Clark
but the impetus behind the transmission of the canon, if you will, is to share things that have moved millions of people for thousands of years. To provide a common set of experiences and values. — T Clark
Some things have more significance - historical, spiritual, artistic, moral, political, intellectual - than other things. — T Clark
:impetus behind the transmission of the canon — T Clark
I understand the problem: you think philosophy is just a matter of opinion.
Then riddle me this: if every opinion is equally valid and true for that person why do you bother arguing with me? My opinion is, after all, just as valid as yours (according to your view) and I (by your definition) can neither be right nor wrong. Or, I'm always right, and so are you, because we're all right all the time as long as we think we're right. So why try to convince me of anything? — NKBJ
You're repeating yourself again. Like I said before, you and I are at an impasse here, so I don't see a point in continuing the conversation with you. Sorry, but I do hope you have more fruitful discussions with someone else. — NKBJ
I think Zhou can respond for himself. — NKBJ
I was on-board until this point. I do appreciate a knowledgeable person guiding me through any art form, but it seems essential that I have some basic interest level. I feel that I am better off if I research and select the dj (or other art advisor). For example: If I cared to follow a movie critic, my first step would be to look at how they rated the last 100 movies they reviewed. If their highest rated film was Les Miserables and the lowest rated was Iron Man, then I know that I can ignore that critic (not that they are wrong, but their opinion does nothing for me). — ZhouBoTong
For example: If I cared to follow a movie critic, my first step would be to look at how they rated the last 100 movies they reviewed. If their highest rated film was Les Miserables and the lowest rated was Iron Man, then I know that I can ignore that critic (not that they are wrong, but their opinion does nothing for me). Similarly, for a disc jockey I would KNOW the type of music they would play based on the radio station. — ZhouBoTong
They also need to be engaging, they need a good sense of humor, some type of charisma, and other factors that grab and keep our attention. — ZhouBoTong
I would imagine there were many local restaurant critics in the area, but you found one to be particularly satisfying. Do you think everyone would agree that he was the best critic? What if someone appreciates the blogger who spends 20 minutes explaining why their Big Mac today was the best ever? Do they have lesser or inferior tastes? Or can we just say different? — ZhouBoTong
If that was the impetus, they should be more open when I say, "no that didn't move me, actually this one over here did." Also, when you say "common set of experiences and values" how are those same experiences and values not represented in modern art? Even the lowest of the low, say Transformers, surely captures some of these common experiences and values. — ZhouBoTong
I think one word is different from the rest (maybe 2 if I include intellectually). If art is significant, it is historically, politically, morally, or spiritually significant. Give me an example of art that is artistically significant? Now defend that based on the definition of art - it will be impossible. — ZhouBoTong
Are they helping the average person find art that moves them? I would say no. They are just searching for like minded individuals to join the elites. — ZhouBoTong
ideas about male honour, public order, the individual against power institutions, religion, public order, love, violence and death, and love and violence. — Brett
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