have no argument, only the opinion that the state has a deeper agenda that is not available to the populace, and that agenda seems to be unimpeded regardless of who occupies the office — Merkwurdichliebe
The opposition to Bush was hardcore. The opposition to Trump is quite lame (toothless and whiney). — Merkwurdichliebe
I don't know what these means when you abstract "the state" outside of the representatives who are elected who form part of it — Maw
I don't know what these means when you abstract "the state" outside of the representatives who are elected who form part of it, but I also don't know what that has to do with your original comment below: — Maw
The political clusterfuck is on display above ground. The permanent government cleverly avoids publicity by staying below ground and out of sight. — Bitter Crank
I'm no Republican by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't know how anyone could support the democratic party after it sabotaged its popular candidate in the last presidential race. Can anyone explain that too me? — Merkwurdichliebe
Party, but they are the only viably electable party to vote in progressive candidate to enact real change. — Maw
I'm no Republican by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't know how anyone could support the democratic party after it sabotaged its popular candidate in the last presidential race. Can anyone explain that too me? — Merkwurdichliebe
Until they sabotage the next candidate. — Merkwurdichliebe
Is this a trick? You make a valid point, but if my choice is democrats or Trump? Doesn't seem too difficult. But don't worry, I won't give the democrats any money (if that is what you mean by support). — ZhouBoTong
The democrats have too many factions that strongly disagree on different issues. A black woman who is accepting of certain democratic-socialist policies and environmentalism seems to be the only chance of uniting them. — ZhouBoTong
I strongly supported Bernie over Hillary, and while the Democratic establishment clearly favored Clinton it shouldn't be discounted that Hillary received over 3 million more votes (+28% more votes) than Bernie. — Maw
Trump won for the same reasons Obama did. The system is shit and people want change. But brought the appeal of novelty to the table. — Merkwurdichliebe
And this faith in your two party system upholds the corrupt two party system.There is plenty to be pissed about regarding the Democratic Party, but they are the only viably electable party to vote in progressive candidate to enact real change. — Maw
The democrats have too many factions that strongly disagree on different issues. A black woman who is accepting of certain democratic-socialist policies and environmentalism seems to be the only chance of uniting them. I would like to think that hating trump is enough for unification, but it didn't work last time. — ZhouBoTong
I don't see how they can be trusted with my vote. — Merkwurdichliebe
you guys — S
Who are you guys, I don't give two shits about them, I'm just making a point concerning self respect. — Merkwurdichliebe
so I don't have a vote that I could waste. — S
There a mountain of difficulties made for 3rd parties to engage the political system, but the biggest obstacle is the view of the people. Voting a 3rd party means "that the other side wins automatically". That you "throw away your vote". This idea is the problem.The evidence that it's corrupt is found in the fact that they won't allow 3rd parties in the debate unless they have a certain amount of support. But they are unable to generate that support simply because they are not permitted into the debate.
Its obvious the rules are set up this way to prevent 3rd party candidates from ripping up the Republican and Democratic positions, and exposing them for the frauds they are — Merkwurdichliebe
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