The discourse here is unconventional in some remarkable ways. Such was the starting point:To take note of an underlying issue with convention itself. The position I'm arguing for/from is still yet conventional enough to pass the muster, I think. It is nonetheless a foreign methodological approach to many. — creativesoul
To be consistent in my own 'personal' morals...
There are better ways to address the situation aside from resorting to personal attacks/remarks. — creativesoul
My fan club finds my writing morally reprehensible. — creativesoul
Perhaps we should approximate where the notion of authority first arrises.
— Merkwurdichliebe
Highly relevant in regards to considering the source of morals. IMO. — praxis
We still need to discuss power over people and further parse out the necessity of our being interdependent social creatures. Those who write the rules have tremendous power. Legitimized moral belief.
— @creativesoul
Ethical authority arrives at some point in societal conditioning, after sufficient language acquisition. The primary influence of the ethical authority is to awaken the individual to the dichotomy of right and wrong.
1)what is the predominant moral authority?
2)what is the primary source of that moral authority?
My instinct tells me: 1)consensus, 2)history.
First, consensus with parental figure, whose morality was developed over a period of history, which, in turn, began through consensus with parental figure...ad infinitum. — Merkwurdichliebe
The presupposition of correspondence to actual events happens prior to language. — creativesoul
If the attribution of meaning happens prior to language, then any and all positions arriving at and/or relying upon the contrary are wrong in a very specific sort of way. — creativesoul
This is a very important point.
In basic terms, for the primitive human, the world has meaning in one particular or another. The introduction of language adds an entirely new dimension to the equation - a rational dimension. I, might argue, that ethical existence is not entered upon until (at least, but probably well after) the rational conscioussness is initiated through exposure to language.
We also find that the most relevant languages are not only historic, but contain historically embedded values that are determined by a completely separate dynamic, which lies far beyond the dynamic that determines primitive valuations; it is obviously more closely related to basic revaluations. — Merkwurdichliebe
It is important to remember that all judgements are associated with one assessment or another. — Merkwurdichliebe
I'm just trying to figure out why you're having trouble with the meaning of 'internalize'. — praxis
You can have the idea and desire to develop a particular habit but until it is actually a habit it is not internalized. Make sense? — praxis
Where have they been the last dozen pages? — Merkwurdichliebe
Well that was a bunch of gobbledygook. — Terrapin Station
I abandoned the discussion when it began to be filled with gibberish. — S
You can have the idea and desire to develop a particular habit but until it is actually a habit it is not internalized. Make sense?
— praxis
It doesn't make sense with respect to the conventional connotation of the term "internalized." It's not a word to use for that context if that's what you want to say and you want anyone to understand it. — Terrapin Station
A pile of scrap metal posses no traffic safety issue or emissions issue, so you wouldn't need to start — praxis
If for some reason there were an issue you would naturally begin with the most egregious violation. Surely you know enough to identify the most egregious error, yes? — praxis
Where have they been the last dozen pages?
— Merkwurdichliebe
I abandoned the discussion when it began to be filled with gibberish. I am of the opinion that all of the gibberish you've been indulging for pages, which is currently permitted over various topics, should be confined to a single discussion. — S
I guess comments from the peanut gallery are worth peanuts. — praxis
Okay let's drop the metaphor. Can you identify the most egregious error so far? Or if that's too difficult for you, many just pick one of the worst. — praxis
Can you identify the most egregious error so far? Or if that's too difficult for you, many just pick one of the worst. — praxis
No one has defined either what is meant by 'source', nor what is meant by 'morals'. — Isaac
I'm just trying to figure out why you're having trouble with the meaning of 'internalize'.
— praxis
I'm not. You're having trouble with the conventional sense of the term is you are if you are thinking that there's not a connotation of something being external initially.
You can have the idea and desire to develop a particular habit but until it is actually a habit it is not internalized. Make sense?
— praxis
It doesn't make sense with respect to the conventional connotation of the term "internalized." It's not a word to use for that context if that's what you want to say and you want anyone to understand it. — Terrapin Station
Source of morals: that which provides the conditions for what is right and wrong in human behavior — Merkwurdichliebe
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