I'm figuring this, because if there is no way for me to apprehend the morals of others, how can I claim, with any reasonability, that they actually have morals too. And even if there was something in another, something that I could not deny, there still remains no way to determine that it is morality. — Merkwurdichliebe
Do you think that every single mental thing that goes on in the mind of another is something you can directly apprehend? — Terrapin Station
you can't know that I pictured something? — Terrapin Station
Some things are neither external nor internal. Some things consist entirely of different elements from both groups. Those things cannot be properly accounted for by using one or the other. — creativesoul
Morals require others. Others are external. Morals require external. Morals require brains. Brains are internal. Morals require internal.
Need we go on here? — creativesoul
The dichotomy of internal/external has been rendered inherently inadequate for the task of setting out the origen of morals. It's a sideshow that leads to gross misunderstandings... — creativesoul
It turned out that "habitualize" was closer to what was being said. — Terrapin Station
The first relation between follower and usurper is found between the child and parental figure. I would surmise that in all ordinary cases, the parental figure factors as the first ethical authority for everyone. — Merkwurdichliebe
It is either granted or usurped.
— creativesoul
The result of this struggle to the death is "consensus". — Merkwurdichliebe
Do you think that every single mental thing that goes on in the mind of another is something you can directly apprehend? — Terrapin Station
No.
you can't know that I pictured something? — Terrapin Station
I can't — Merkwurdichliebe
Some things are neither external nor internal. — creativesoul
I would concur. Parents are part of the community. Usually it is the parents who are the authority, however, it is well worth noting that some cases it is not and in all cases, the morality being implemented is adopted(mostly). — creativesoul
What would be an example of something mental, that you don't directly apprehend, that you can know (propositionally)? — Terrapin Station
At any rate, you don't think the fact that thinking is "of" each individual implies that my thinking is somehow internal to you, do you? — Terrapin Station
So in my view, morality works the same way. — Terrapin Station
I would like to know what others here think/believe to be the difference between what counts as being moral and what counts as being ethical in terms of kinds of belief. — creativesoul
Ask them. Listen to their answers. That's more than adequate ground to conclude that others have moral thought/belief. — creativesoul
What is the term "necessary" doing here?
Predicted and observed behaviour can tell us something about motivation. — creativesoul
morality is specifically about right and wrong behavior towards humans and their domestic animals. Is that what you meant? — Janus
Your recent summary of merk and my discussion was spot on. The links to harvard have not worked for me. I may have misattributed meaning to your post offering the link to the test. My apologies if that was the case. That is of interest, and relevant in more than one way here. — creativesoul
(For expediency's sake, we can ignore livestock on factory farms). — Merkwurdichliebe
Morality and ethical are interchangeable terms, in most cases. But strictly speaking, morality is always includes the ethical, while the ethical does not always include morality. — Merkwurdichliebe
Exactly! If I knew how to produce a Venn diagram on here without a ridiculous amount of effort, I would draw a large circle called 'ethics' with a smaller circle within it called 'morality'. :cool: — Janus
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