I think I would leave out the yellow ring as well, then what is left is exactly what I envisaged. — Janus
The point is that our subconscious mind... how should I say this, isn't as aligned with our conscious mind as we might think it is. This is shown in other ways as well, like hypnosis or placebo/nocebo, or just intuition in general.
This is meant to support the theory of ethical intuitionism. — praxis
I think we could keep the yellow ring if we take "legal" to mean "established normative assessments." — Merkwurdichliebe
How about if "legal" was replaced by 'cultural'; would that work for you? — Janus
we're systematically replacing the faulty rungs, until - in the end - they're all based upon, agree with, and/or effectively supplant parts of the current knowledge base.
Paradigm shift. — creativesoul
Then we can kick the ladder out from under us? :grin: — Merkwurdichliebe
I appreciate that reference to Wittgenstein. :smile: — Janus
Referring to Gautama we could say that we lay down the raft after crossing the river because there would be no need to carry it further. Some might say that we should continue to carry it just in case we are mistaken in thinking there are no more rivers to cross, but I say that we might find that each river requires a certain kind of raft, and we are better off not to worry about what lies ahead of us, but rather to trust in our ability to improvise when the need arises. — Janus
Of course, it isn't always the most practical way to do it. — Merkwurdichliebe
Practicality, Schmackticality! Practical considerations, lifted out of their proper context and deified, as UTILITY, both lead to, and grow out of, the monetization of life. A vicious feedback loop! — Janus
Ahhh yes...the utopian fantasy. :grimace: — Merkwurdichliebe
I must say, I enjoyed your theatricality. :cheer: — Merkwurdichliebe
I would like to know what others here think/believe to be the difference between what counts as being moral and what counts as being ethical in terms of kinds of belief.
— creativesoul
I've said this before, not sure whether on this thread or not, but I count ethical thought as being a broader category than moral thought; moral thought is concerned with others within the community, that is people and perhaps domestic animals, whereas ethical thought also involves that and additionally, involves oneself as oneself and all of nature. — Janus
...is it possible to view the morals of a community as a sort of 'strongly recommended advice' to people who might wish to join that community without causing significant internal agitation or potentially upsetting another community? — Couchyam
I would concur. Parents are part of the community. Usually it is the parents who are the authority, however, it is well worth noting that some cases it is not and in all cases, the morality being implemented is adopted(mostly).
— creativesoul
The notion of "absentee parental figure" is not too much of an issue. In such cases, ethical conditioning bypasses the parental figure, and begins with other societal influences (friends/enemies, teachers, acquaintances, &c.). Everyone is eventually confronted by these influences, and they are all, more or less, quantitatively identical in respect to being an ethical authority. They provide the substantive material which the individual appropriates into a personal morality.
Morality becomes adopted through a complex process of appropriation, in which the ethical authority serves as the primary influence. — Merkwurdichliebe
I'm wondering why you think that you can't know that I'm picturing something if you think that you can know that I'm thinking something then. — Terrapin Station
Is it appropriate to say the the ethical authority stands in relation to the ethical pupil? Can we call it the "moral agent", as in the one beset with the ethical task? — Merkwurdichliebe
The task is in forming right thought/belief, and then integrating that right understanding into one's behavior - responsibility. — Merkwurdichliebe
Deception is possible in respect to ethical authority, but not with moral principle (excluding self-delusion, moral dumbfounding?). In relation to ethical authority, the moral agent is only right/wrong insofar as he appears to be. But as he is to himself, his morality depends upon his commitment to principle. — Merkwurdichliebe
The term "moral agent" has not been used to differentiate between different kinds of moral agents; those beset with an ethical task and those not. — creativesoul
The task is in forming right thought/belief, and then integrating that right understanding into one's behavior - responsibility. — Merkwurdichliebe
Deception is possible for a moral principle. — creativesoul
Unnecessarily multiplying entities again. I cannot see the good in what this adds. — creativesoul
The term "moral agent" has not been used to differentiate between different kinds of moral agents; those beset with an ethical task and those not.
— creativesoul
I don't understand.. What would constitute a different kind of moral agent, for example, one not beset with the ethical task? — Merkwurdichliebe
Is it appropriate to say the the ethical authority stands in relation to the ethical pupil? Can we call it the "moral agent", as in the one beset with the ethical task? — Merkwurdichliebe
What sense doe it make then to differentiate between pupil and teacher based upon calling only the one assigned an ethical task the "moral agent" when they can both be. — creativesoul
I feel there is an unequivocal distinction between ethical authority ethical pupil. — Merkwurdichliebe
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