1.) Am I making a mistake by purchasing a form of media that objectifies women? — darthbarracuda
2.) Should the objectification of women be outlawed? — darthbarracuda
3.) Is this objectification the result of the oft-quoted "Patriarchy"? — darthbarracuda
4.) Are women alright with this objectification, and does this have any importance to the debate? — darthbarracuda
The rhetoric of "objectification" is completely untenable from a number of angles. And unfortunately, no one seems to be seriously, systematically challenging the untenable rhetoric.
It seems a far bigger problem to me to see a focus on sexual appeal as a problem--and that's what tends to happen. Any focus on sex/sex appeal/sexual attactiveness/etc. is seen as "objectification" (and usually as "misogyny" etc.) It's disheartening how people let rhetoric like that take hold so that it winds up more or less becomes unquestioned and simply accepted as a norm for an entire generation, to an extent where it even starts influencing the opinions of other generations. — Terrapin Station
Holy moly no. No expression should be outlawed. — Terrapin Station
I know plenty of women who don't buy into the rhetoric about "objectification." — Terrapin Station
I think it has more to do with women being unequal or "sex objects" than it has to do with sexuality in general. I'm all for making sexuality a common aspect of the public sphere. But I think there might be some issues with putting sexuality where it isn't needed, i.e. women being used to garner profits. — darthbarracuda
I think it has more to do with women being unequal or "sex objects" than it has to do with sexuality in general. — darthbarracuda
Agreed, only they should be limited to the private spheres, and the private sphere should not affect the public sphere. — darthbarracuda
Just playing devil's advocate here, the feminist would argue that these women don't know what's good for them. Indeed a lot of feminism seems to revolve around this aesthetic of the female nature and assuming every other female also wants to be this way. When in fact some females are okay with objectification. Feminists chalk this up to be the result of the Patriarchy, and it is the Patriarchy that is not allowing women to think for themselves. — darthbarracuda
Just playing devil's advocate here, the feminist would argue that these women don't know what's good for them. Indeed a lot of feminism seems to revolve around this aesthetic of the female nature and assuming every other female also wants to be this way. When in fact some females are okay with objectification. Feminists chalk this up to be the result of the Patriarchy, and it is the Patriarchy that is not allowing women to think for themselves. — darthbarracuda
If porn objectifies women, then dildos objectify men. If we can all come to an agreement that sex has an inherent "domination" and "subjugation" nature, no matter how intimate, then we can move on. — darthbarracuda
The point is about the subservient way women are presented in most porn, — TheWillowOfDarkness
where they are just a body to be used for male desire In this respect, — TheWillowOfDarkness
but rather whether an instance of porn considers the viewpoint and desires of the women involved. — TheWillowOfDarkness
1.) Am I making a mistake by purchasing a form of media that objectifies women? — darthbarracuda
2.) Should the objectification of women be outlawed?
3.) Is this objectification the result of the oft-quoted "Patriarchy"?
4.) Are women alright with this objectification, and does this have any importance to the debate?
Only social constructionists, or the like, would believe such nonsense; because for them there is no truth beyond our public interaction with words or pictures. As if injustice against women would be caused by how they're portrayed in public. — jkop
I want to hear your thoughts on the morality of objectifying women in the media. — darthbarracuda
1.) Am I making a mistake by purchasing a form of media that objectifies women? — darthbarracuda
2.) Should the objectification of [actual] women be outlawed? — darthbarracuda
3.) Is this objectification the result of the oft-quoted "Patriarchy"? — darthbarracuda
4.) a) Are women alright with this objectification, and b) does this have any importance to the debate? — darthbarracuda
I always think it's ridiculous when anyone reads anything that way. They're depictions of those particular fictional characters.But these characters are representations of an entire sex. — darthbarracuda
these characters are representations of an entire sex. The developers made a choice — darthbarracuda
I don't deny the validity of your conclusion, but it ain't sound. It is selective and misleading, because my statement, which is selectively used in your argument, is not directed at those who find libel unfair but at those who believe that an unfair portrayal could somehow objectify or diminish what it portrays. It takes magical thinking, social constructionism, or the like, to believe that a mere utterance or depiction could diminish or objectify what it portrays. But one does not have to be a social constructionist to find portrayals unfair or draft libel laws against them. — jkop
I don't see how I'm using your statement "selectively" in my argument. . . . — Nagase
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