There are studies that look at these things and how they differ. — I like sushi
I haven't been arguing that literature is somehow "greater" than film, just that it requires more imagination by virtue of the fact that in the case of literature you are being presented with descriptions rather than images. — Janus
Finally, isn't visualizing verbal imagery about the simplest form of imagination possible? You just barely have to imagine anything (the "better" the author, the more vivid the description, the less I have to work to imagine the scenario). Hell, the more I read, the better I am at skimming through and ignoring character descriptions, because they matter very little to the part of the story I do care about. — ZhouBoTong
Art is not about extracting (intellectual) insights. — Henri
While we're at it, I could also use a novel to level a desk, by putting it under one of the desk's legs. And I am still waiting for an example where a DVD with a movie is a sturdier leveler for my desk than the hardcover, 200-page novel. — Henri
Art is not about extracting (intellectual) insights. — Henri
Those who view Shakespeare as a great writer of plays displaying ideas of morality, human nature, conflict or right and wrong, are behaving exactly the same as those who believe Michael is a great director portraying the same ideas, or Saul Bellow or Bergman or Joyce or Tennessee Williams. — Brett
How and why it should find its way into education is another matter? Outside of school people can act on their preference by choosing or ignoring a book or film. Inside of school the work is pressed on them by those who chose the curriculum. Actually, that’s not necessarily the case, the teacher is allowed to chose an artist or writer that he/she can use to work within the demands of the curriculum. — Brett
But once it comes to education, we let the elites decide for us; — ZhouBoTong
If you think there is something wrong with the distinctions I have made between the different kinds of thought then say what it is you think is wrong. — Janus
[A]rt seems to be man made (unless you believe in a God), and all things man made have a foundation, a set of rules or agreement for it to function or be accepted. Except with art we can’t seem to find those rules. — Brett
Art could be said to be raising intellectual insights about art, could it not? — Brett
Outside education, I don't have a problem. We each like what we like. Additionally, outside education, art has been monetized, so I don't have to worry. People willing spend billions on Transformers movies. Much less on Shakespeare. People vote with dollars and asses in seats. But once it comes to education, we let the elites decide for us; and most of us just assume they are right (until I had to re-read Shakespeare as an adult, I assumed I just didn't get it - now I know I get it, and I like it even less). — ZhouBoTong
I tend to view art as entertainment — ZhouBoTong
So for example, you'd have to say--given the distinction you're attempting--that devising character personality traits, as well as dialogue, characters' thoughts, etc., when writing fiction involves no imagination. — Terrapin Station
Perhaps if you were to lay out the reasoning that you want to claim leads inexorably from what I have said to what you claim here I therefore must agree with I will be able to show you where you went wrong. — Janus
I’m not sure this is exactly true. We’re all coming from different parts of the world here so our experiences might differ. But my experience is that the elites are not imposing their views. Though a Principal might draw the line at certain works being used in class.
Where are you seeing this, and what work are you seeing? — Brett
The fact that 4 years of English education is required when one only needs 2-3 years of math (depending on the state)
The fact that 4 years of English education is required when one only needs 2-3 years of math (depending on the state)
You could extract insight from anything, essentially. From reading a news article, having a blister on your hand, observing a toddler. And from art too, of course. But that's not what art is for. — Henri
I don't think we can extend that to a blanket cover of all man-made things, can we? — Pattern-chaser
As I tend to view art as entertainment — ZhouBoTong
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