Is a tree dependent upon it's relations?
Is a tree's existence dependent upon it's relations?
How are we to make sense of this?
— creativesoul
Is a tree dependent on water for its existence? Does a tree provide it's own water? — Merkwurdichliebe
Water is not a relation. — creativesoul
What is a condition for existence, that I might answer your question? But I don't think you can tell us. Either there are conditions for the existence of a tree, or there are not... Just as existence is either blue, or it is not blue; and if I say it is not blue, you will insist i tell you what other colour existence is...So there are no conditions that a(re) required for the existence of a tree? Explain yourself — Merkwurdichliebe
That which is prior to something else cannot be intrinsically bound up in that something else. The presupposition of existence is prior to language. Thus, on that level, it is not bound up in language. — creativesoul
Water is not a relation.
— creativesoul
Then you agree that a tree provides it's own water. Peculiar. I wonder how that happens. — Merkwurdichliebe
Either there are conditions for the existence of a tree, or there are not... Just as existence is either blue, or it is not blue; and if I say it is not blue, you will insist i tell you what other colour existence is... — Banno
AH, well, that's that thread, then. I enjoyed the Life of Brian quotes. — Banno
But the conditions for a tree can be easily enumerated. It is sensical. — Merkwurdichliebe
That which is prior to something else cannot be intrinsically bound up in that something else. The presupposition of existence is prior to language. Thus, on that level, it is not bound up in language.
— creativesoul
But we are talking about existence. So how is it not "bound up" in language. — Merkwurdichliebe
Are you now saying that the need of a tree for water is not inherent in the tree itself... — Banno
Anyway, are there any threads around at the moment that are not full of such stuff?
I've a little time on my hands over the next few days.
Or do I start my own? — Banno
I also invoked the consideration of whether or not a thing's existence is dependent upon its relations. — Merkwurdichliebe
What are we counting as a tree's relations?
— creativesoul
One example would be all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for its existence. — Merkwurdichliebe
..all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for it's existence. — Merkwurdichliebe
I will attempt to emphasize that the word 'existence' matters only in particular contexts like disputes about 'existence of God — fresco
Perhaps I should specify normal situational dispute. — fresco
Once again, I will attempt to emphasize that the word 'existence' matters only articular contexts like disputes about 'existence of God' — fresco
Its not a question of 'belief'. Its a fundamental later phenomenological pov which follows Kant's non accessibility of noumena and therefore discards 'noumena' as vacuous, and which accepts Nietsche's rejection of any difference between 'description' and 'reality'. It is also supported by Maturana's argument that all we call 'observation' essentially involves 'languaging'. — fresco
Is a tree dependent upon it's relations? — creativesoul
I'm simply pointing out that there is nothing - NOTHING AT ALL - added to our understanding by using the term "existence" as a predicate.
late 14c., "reality," from Old French existence, from Medieval Latin existentia/exsistentia, from existentem/exsistentem (nominative existens/exsistens) "existent," present participle of Latin existere/exsistere "stand forth, come out, emerge; appear, be visible, come to light; arise, be produced; turn into," and, as a secondary meaning, "exist, be;" from ex "forth" (see ex-) + sistere "cause to stand," from PIE *si-st-, reduplicated form of root *sta- "to stand, make or be firm."
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