Does it mean all matter is conscious (a notion I actually like personally)? — khaled
Also what would explain the regularity we see in matter. Throw the same rock the same way a 100 times and it'll do the same thing. It might have will but that doesn't seem too free to me. — khaled
What you're describing is basically "energy" not "free will". A definition of energy is capacity to do work. But if you're running real fast, sure you can do more work (move things) but I wouldn't say you have more free will. — khaled
Awareness is a decision that is made before we ‘see an apple’. A decision is made to be aware of sense data - to seek information from our senses - and then to connect that sense data to related information in the brain that we find points to there being ‘an apple’ in that sense data. The collaboration occurs when another decision is made to integrate these related sources of information into the thought of ‘seeing an apple’. — Possibility
The way I see it, the existence of free will essentially boils down to three assertions, — Possibility
The way I see it, it boils down to one assertion: I have and can make a choice. — Terrapin Station
I have and can make a choice. — Terrapin Station
Any choice, always and in every situation? — Possibility
Any choice, always and in every situation?
— Possibility
The idea is just that some choices are possible, contra the idea that none are. — Terrapin Station
oops. Only one choice is possible, no matter how many possibilities are presented. — god must be atheist
The idea is just that some choices are possible, contra the idea that none are. — Terrapin Station
Only one choice is possible, no matter how many possibilities are presented. — god must be atheist
I think we need to be clear about when we use ‘choice’ as:
- the ACT of choosing,
- the VARIETY or range to choose from OR
- the particular OPTION to be chosen,
otherwise this could get messy. — Possibility
NO FREE WILL, as I understand it, says that there is no act of choosing. Regardless of how many possibilities are presented, — Possibility
A standard argument for FREE WILL, as I understand it, says that the act of choosing is indeed yours to make, and regardless of how constrained the variety or range to choose from may be or how much power, influence or control is apparently exerted on you, the notion of ‘free will’ maintains that you are still ‘free’ to choose from at least two options. — Possibility
There are ZERO CONSTRAINTS on the act, the range or the options of choosing whether or not to be aware, to connect or to collaborate - regardless of what your circumstances are. These are the basic, underlying decisions that I believe no-one can take away from you - your will. — Possibility
That part I don't understand. One constraint on the act of choosing, for example, is a time constraint. You'd have to make the choice while you are able to--while it's available, while you're capable of expressing it, while you're alive, etc. — Terrapin Station
- the ACT of choosing,
- the VARIETY or range to choose from OR
- the particular OPTION to be chosen,
otherwise this could get messy. — Possibility
There are ZERO CONSTRAINTS on the act, the range or the options of choosing whether or not to be aware, to connect or to collaborate - regardless of what your circumstances are. These are the basic, underlying decisions that I believe no-one can take away from you - your will. — Possibility
no matter how you define it, either you have it or you do not and arguing settles not the issue. — Arne
it is philosophy as industry and you are only proving my point in that regard. — Arne
this is true of whether god exists or not. It is true regarding our knowledge whether tomorrow will rain or not rain. But it is not true of having an infinite three-dimensional space independent of everything. And it is not true of a deterministic universe allowing non-deterministic things to happen. If you accept determinism, then you exclude free will. If you reject determinism, then you accept that things happen without causes. And this last bit is the crux of the stronghold of no-free will arguers. Everything has a cause and every cause has an effect. If you go outside of that, you must necessarily find things in our universe that would not follow physical laws, that would be random beyond explanatory possibility. And you don't find those things in our universe.no matter how you define it, either you have it or you do not and arguing settles not the issue. — Arne
Possibility, we argued about the free will in past posts. You finally appealed to authority, saying you agree with Descartes and subscribe to his "proof" of free will. — god must be atheist
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"This is patently false.
If you believe you have free will, but you don't, you were caused to believe that you have free will.
There is no magic about it."
That is straight up Descartes. He concludes, and I agree, this is the one thing about which you cannot be deceived. — Pantagruel
Once I argued EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE to a manager of a store when I wanted to return an item, and I suspect he was a Philosophy major, because he conceded all his prior objectoins to giving me a refund, and did issue me a refund after I presented him with this:
"in front of me there are many different kinds of bicycle computers. I take home one. I choose the one that I can afford, can use, and has all the features that I want, or the maximum features that I want. There are seventeen different kinds of bicycle computers on the shelf in your store, and in my previous trip I chose the precise one that was the ONLY ONE POSSIBLE under the constraints of what reasons went into my selection."
Here, the constraints were minimizing the price, maximizing the features, and thus finding the ideal.
I believe that similar constraints are always present whenever we are finding ourselves in a position to make a choice. — god must be atheist
We defined it, recently, here, for example, that the will makes choices, and, thus, so defined, we have free will — PoeticUniverse
I hereby define — Arne
1. we define free will as A;
2. we have A.
Therefore, we have free will. — Arne
What is a bicycle computer? — Noah Te Stroete
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