Why are we assuming it is good to "deal with" anything at all? Why is this such an ingrained baseline notion that this is a right/good existential state, besides the fact that it is inescapable?
people mean you should work to change the situation rather than complain to us about it. — NOS4A2
I think I get your point: we can’t not deal with it. But I think that when people use the phrase “deal with it” they mean you can take certain steps to alter your situation. I just know that whenever some has said “deal with it” to me, it was because I was complaining about a situation or other. — NOS4A2
Yes I get that- but that is kind of the surfacey way of thinking about it. Yes, we all know that "do something about it" is a colloquialism for, "change your course of action or take these other steps you are not taking". However, to broaden and deepen the point here, we are ALWAYS in a state of "dealing with", and when bringing people into existence (procreation) we are recruiting THEM to deal with as well, so there is something about "dealing with" that seems culturally/individually assumed is good. Being put and putting others in a situation of "dealing with" seems to me a mild torture that we simply take as what existence is about. It is the dissatisfied background radiation of life.
we are thrown into the world (not of our choosing), — schopenhauer1
This is the first thing I disagree with here. In order for you to be "thrown into the world," there has to be a you that we can do something to (namely, throwing you into the world). But there's no you outside of the world. We can't do something to an entity that doesn't exist. Your existence can't obtain until you're already in the world. — Terrapin Station
Good in what sense? Good for me only, the person who has the problem? Good for everybody else but me? There was a case in Which a girl killed people because it was Monday and she hated Mondays and so she dealt with that by killing people. People will not always deal with the same issues the same way and thus a general consensus on morality will not be reached. — Alan
Waking up, brushing my teeth, going to work is not dealing with some other problem. Those actions are not a solution to some problem and therefore I'm not dealing with anything, I'm just living life because all those activities some of the things we do when we live life as an average middle class employed human according to culture and morals which does not bother me at all. — Alan
I have problems because some things are not the way I want them to be and therefore I call them problems and if I have to deal with those it may be good for me or I can just not care. In fact, problems seem to be relative to every person. Some may have the same problem but their subjective experience is completely different so now I would ask you to please explain why you think people think dealing with stuff is good? Some stuff may not be worth dealing with for some people and therefore dealing with it being good makes no sense. — Alan
There's this other point you put and I do agree with you: bringing someone to life is something that should be analyzed more exhaustively because times change and they may become less diesirable to live in over time and therefore more problems will arise. It may have nothing to do but I highly recommend you to watch Evangelion. I think it refers exactly to this point you make. In it Shingi, the main character, refuses to do lots of things and flees from what he is supposed to deal with. Most people hate him as a main character but they don't realize he has been brought to existence to deal with the consequences of human stupidity, so I really believe that in his case life is really something to be dealt with. — Alan
Seems a little too tautological for my own tastes. I don’t see how “deal with it” amounts to living. — NOS4A2
This is the first thing I disagree with here. In order for you to be "thrown into the world," there has to be a you that we can do something to (namely, throwing you into the world). But there's no you outside of the world. We can't do something to an entity that doesn't exist. Your existence can't obtain until you're already in the world. — Terrapin Station
I think the reason why people might tell you to “do something about it” is because they don’t feel anyone has a duty to solve your problems(and they are completely right about that). The upside is that you also don’t have any duties to solve anyone else’s problems. — TheHedoMinimalist
I'm not sure who says "do something about it" other than idiots and sociopaths. Are you saying that you perceive idiots and psychos as social norms in this day and age? — whollyrolling
I guess what I'm thinking is that whoever says that, if you challenge the notion to their face, they back pedal or go blah blah, and they really seem to have no understanding of the figure of speech. It came from somewhere and spread like a virus, just like "yoga" and "I'm going to surround myself with people who are brimming with false optimism". — whollyrolling
But they pick up more than the slogan, they base their lifestyle on it. It consumes them. — whollyrolling
Ok, first this is a tangential argument. — schopenhauer1
When a child is born, it is thrown into the world at point X of its consciousness. — schopenhauer1
That I am saying is bad, and should be a good reason to not bring others into this state. — schopenhauer1
The child is already in the world prior to birth. — Terrapin Station
But, if I was capable of not feeling bad about causing others to suffer, what reason would I have to not cause suffering to others? Well, I would say only the prudential reasons like the fear of being reprimanded or the fear of spoiling valuable cooperative relationships. I think it would easier for you to persuade people to avoid having children by talking about how much suffering will come to them from the stress, anxiety, worry, sleep deprivation, emotional exhaustion, labor pain, boredom, and possible grief that comes with having children. — TheHedoMinimalist
You're always so full of skewed hyperbole. It's a joke. — S
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