You posted on a public forum, with an audience, knowingly. Who else are you complaining to, if not us? Yourself? — S
You interpreted it a bit differently? No shit. — S
The idea is, no one existed prior to their existence (whatever that might mean, conception, gestation, birth, consciousness, self-consciousness one or all of them). — schopenhauer1
Idiots and psychopaths? Yeah right. It's just a common reproach to people who complain too much instead of trying to help themselves. — S
For example, people rather say, "No pain, no gain" or "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger" than say, "life is inherently flawed due to structural suffering". It is enculturated to identify with that which causes the suffering than to call it out as bad.
This is metaphysical as, once born, and become an autonomous, self-conscious being, we must always deliberate with how to deal with a situation. We are presented with challenges, discomforts, obstacles, and then we deliberate and act accordingly. This is what I mean with "dealing" with the situation. In other words, we are presented with existence, and then we have to "Do something about it!". There is no other option. Non-action is still doing something about it. — schopenhauer1
Yeah, well, seeing the same old shit over and again can sort of make that happen. Sorry, but you've long since worn away most of my patience. — S
You know I don't agree on the inherent suffering in life but I do agree that many people identify themselves with the actual suffering and it fucking gets to my nerves because it apparently enables them to be assholes because they've gone through so much pain. It's as if they gained more dignity or something. — Alan
How can you decide having to deal with stuff is bad if there hasn't been any other way ever? This is my point when I talk about ideals. It seems bad to you because there's a completely idealized idea and then you just compare it to the real thing!The point is, we live in a world where we are constantly having to "do something about it". There is no way out of it. That I am saying is bad, and should be a good reason to not bring others into this state. — schopenhauer1
Also, how screwed up is that that in order to negate someone else's negative experiences, you have to point to someone with yet worse negative experiences. — schopenhauer1
In my opinion, there are three components “to dealing with it": the agony of having the problem, the cost of dealing with that problem, and the satisfaction having dealt with the problem. The first two components are usually associated with negative feelings. The third component is usually the only positive one. I think it is often the case that the displeasure of having a problem and dealing with it, is greater than the brief pleasure of solving the problem. So I would agree with you that having to deal with problems is overall not a good thing. (Or I might have totally misunderstood you.)Why are we assuming it is good to "deal with" anything at all? Why is this such an ingrained baseline notion that this is a right/good existential state, besides the fact that it is inescapable? — schopenhauer1
Okay, so the next point: this sounds like "overthinking" a bit. I don't think that most situations are dilemmas in the way that you're describing it. It sound like you're describing someone rather neurotic, who would find even the slightest thing stressful for some reason, rather than being able to just go with the flow without worrying about most things. Certainly some things are dilemmas for everyone, but most things won't be dilemmas for most people I don't think. — Terrapin Station
How can you decide having to deal with stuff is bad if there hasn't been any other way ever? This is my point when I talk about ideals. It seems bad to you because there's a completely idealized idea and then you just compare it to the real thing! — Alan
So I would agree with you that having to deal with problems is overall not a good thing. (Or I might have totally misunderstood you.) — Purple Pond
Right, so we should both stop complaining and do something about it. Thanks for inadvertently bringing me back to reality. Only I can't really do anything about his complaining, except either try to make him see the error of his ways, also known as mission impossible, or basically walk away. — S
Well, I don't think I am overthinking it. Rather, I am analyzing what people don't perhaps analyze. I believe in existentialist literature at least, there is talk about an "aboutness" to consciousness. I see a similarity here in terms of there being a "dealing with-ness" to normal waking life. We deal with all the things mentioned. And yes, if just very "low grind" activities like getting out of bed, it isn't so bad, but added to the complexity of how humans live and interrelate and survive, there is very much a stressful dealing with in even the most mundane of lives. However, I don't want to downplay the initial "dealing with" that is deemed as good in the first place. What is it about overcoming situations and challenges that need to take place? Of course, if someone wants to sit it all out.. well, that is not an option. At least not without suicide or making someone else deal with it, thus transferring the dealing with situation to someone else. — schopenhauer1
Are they dilemmas if people don't think of them as dilemmas? — Terrapin Station
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