But you didn't have to clean it. Something cultural and personal compelled you. — schopenhauer1
"have tos" or needs always hinge on wants. I want to do it. — Terrapin Station
If you don't consciously think that, it's not the case. That's the whole point. — Terrapin Station
Taking this more existentially, and less mythical-dramatically, life is striving-after, always in a deprived state. The sooner people realize this,the more empathy we have for our state as fellow-strivers, how we treat each other, and how we respond to each other. — schopenhauer1
There is nothing to get after, nothing to be, nowhere to go. Those are culturally-created and perpetuated values that are promoted by many who want to keep it that way. Rather, we are sufferers in and by existence. — schopenhauer1
Where you see nothing here, I see potential. Where you see culturally created values, I see attempts to map a value structure that reflects our current level of awareness, connection and collaboration with reality. And where you see the promotion of insufficient value structures by many who want to keep it that way, I see fear, denial and avoidance of the striving-after - the pain, loss and humility - that informs our existence. — Possibility
Force-recruiting more people into an inescapable game to strive-after, deal with that "informs existence" is all that matters here. The burdens of the "thrownness" of our situation (what is already-established and cannot be changed at all or readily changed by one person certainly), is all that matters. Potential is a propaganda tool to recruit yet more people to this existential scheme. — schopenhauer1
hey’ve found a way to escape the value structure you believe is a permanent fixture — Possibility
There is no ‘already-established’ that cannot be changed, except that your subjective value structure renders it so. You’re actually railing against a system that it is within your capacity to deconstruct for yourself, and for others, simply by increasing awareness, connection and collaboration with anything that challenges its reality. — Possibility
But all your ranting about ‘propaganda’ and ‘force-recruiting’ only reinforces what you find so abhorrent. — Possibility
It’s like a prisoner constantly claiming their innocence, declaring that they shouldn’t even be in jail and complaining about the walls and the guards and the restrictions - it does nothing to change the reality, it only becomes tiresome to those around you. It’s not like we don’t see this already. — Possibility
Whether we agree with your interpretation or not makes no difference - we’re all in the same physical situation. If you believe there is nothing that can be done about that, then why even bring it up? If others choose to interact with the world in a way that brings a more satisfying structure to their experience of the same situation, who are you to say that it’s false, when the structure within which you continue to interact with the world renders you a prisoner? Is it because the sense of purpose and joy they may express as a result only reinforces your feeling of hopelessness? — Possibility
You seem to be a prisoner of society’s apparently ‘already-established’ value systems. I’m not. I cannot change what others do, but I can demonstrate a way to experience reality that strips the so-called ‘recruiting’ of its apparent force, rather than just complaining about it. — Possibility
Force-recruiting more people into an inescapable game to strive-after, deal with that "informs existence" is all that matters here. The burdens of the "thrownness" of our situation (what is already-established and cannot be changed at all or readily changed by one person certainly), is all that matters. Potential is a propaganda tool to recruit yet more people to this existential scheme. — schopenhauer1
But please, what is the reason you are washing the dishes? — schopenhauer1
Is this a joke? Are you pretending to be someone from another planet? — S
Stop trolling. In the context, it was about what is motivating the action. That's all I am getting at. — schopenhauer1
Discomfort, dissatisfaction of some kind. To take the argument that cleaning the dishes is no big deal, thus life has no big deals is a red herring and you know it. However, I was reversing this argument and saying, even mild dissatisfactions add up. So there. — schopenhauer1
Yes, mild dissatisfactions add up. But that still doesn't justify your ridiculous conclusions. — S
washing the dishes — schopenhauer1
Oh my god! The dishes! What a nightmare! We should all just kill ourselves on the spot! But no, like your namesake, you don't advocate the most logical course of action if life really was that bad. You just complain more, exaggerate more, because that's your thing. — S
So, now who is exaggerating for effect? Again, why are you picking up this shit-pile of a reasoning. So life is just doing dishes only then? Also, EVEN washing dishes "zen-like" doesn't negate my initial claim that life is oriented for "dealing with". — schopenhauer1
I advocate antinatalism, yes. — schopenhauer1
I believe it is not right to put others in "dealing with" situations, when they don't need to be.. even, gasp, doing the dishes! Other courses of action- there is none. Another reason against it. A lot of these problems are simply structural or too big to change. — schopenhauer1
I don't really care that you believe that it's not right. I don't agree with you, obviously. And if nothing can be done about it (not true), then I say put up and shut up. — S
How is this question any different than "why do I exist?" — matt
I use paper plates, but, after a week, I have to take out the trash. — PoeticUniverse
Answer me, why is it needed in the first place? But you cannot. — schopenhauer1
Again, the assumption is what is it about the dealing with that we crave? — schopenhauer1
I've addressed this line of questioning from you about a million times before. You must like going around in circles to the point of absurdity. — S
I want to start a family because of the joy it will bring — S
All of this you already know. You are presumably just feigning ignorance as some sort of rhetorical tactic. I know that you have your own answers, and that you disapprove, but why do you feel the need to repeatedly express this? Is that normal behaviour, do you think? Do you think maybe you would benefit from counselling? — S
It's not a craving, that's just more rhetoric from you. It's simply our natural inclination towards problem solving. — S
If considering only for conscious agents, then you have constraints from the society and environment that you'd better follow. As you have free will you can opt not to, say opposite of #4 and the consequence may be severe. — Dzung
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