I did confirm this, although humans will continue producing milk (well, women at least) after they give birth for as long as they are milked. It might therefore be easier to have women instead of cows be available for milk production. It's something to think about if you're a recent mother in need of work.I do know they have to go through regular pregnancies every year in order to keep producing milk — Bitter Crank
I do recall that human breast milk ice cream was a thing for a while. Gives whole new meaning to the term "milk shake"...I did confirm this, although humans will continue producing milk (well, women at least) after they give birth for as long as they are milked. It might therefore be easier to have women instead of cows be available for milk production. It's something to think about if you're a recent mother in need of work. — Hanover
My local environment since WW2 has been turned over to mainly wheat production, in a cycle that involves the utter dependancy on heavy machinery for deep ploughing and the use of chemical fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides. — Hogrider
do you know of valuable/good arguments which defend that it is permissible to eat meat? By that I don't meat that factory farming is permissible, but that eating free range meat is, for instance. — BerthMania
Is eating meat morally permissible? Why or why not?
Do advances in slaughterhouses by individuals such as Temple Grandin make it less ethically problematic, if it even is problematic to begin with? — darthbarracuda
I like the taste of meat but I begin to imagine myself having my throat slit and then chopped up into little pieces that end up in a restaurant, then cooked and served to people who're joking and laughing as they eat my flesh and, lastly the utter humiliation of having to come out of somebody's ass as mush. — TheMadFool
It's not just the fact that animals are killed. The utter absence of compassion of any kind. — TheMadFool
I'm still non-veg which makes me worse than those I'm bitching about because at least I know and most non-vegetarians are totally unaware of what they're doing. When you wear a ring for long enough you don't feel it anymore. — TheMadFool
Non-vegetarianism is immoral. Stop eating meat. Please. — TheMadFool
Yes, I would defend the position that eating meat is immoral. — Artemis
I just want to ask you something if you don't mind?
Are you vegetarian or non-vegetarian?
In either case do you have any reasons apart from meat being tasty? — TheMadFool
Still a meat eater. ALL of my favorite foods/meals include meat. So mostly just wallowing in my hypocrisy similar to you. But for some reason I don't feel the need to beat myself up over it...? But when I truly think about it, I don't have much of a defense. My main defense other than tasty probably amounts to "well it's not that bad, right?" Also, FOR ME (I get this won't be enough for many), if the animals lives are pleasant right up to the point of death (I think Temple Grandin was mentioned at the beginning of the thread), and the death is painless (and not seeing it coming would be an added bonus), then I don't see a moral harm as I would volunteer for that situation — ZhouBoTong
Some are of the view that lessening the pain of death a.k.a humane killing is a solution. Humane killing is presented as a response to those who want animal killings stopped. Does it make sense? The worth of a human being is not measured in terms of the degrees of suffering humans can endure. Life, in and of itself, has moral value. That's why murdering another human painlessly with, say, lethal injection won't earn you the judge's sympathy and lessen you sentence. Killing a person humanely still amounts to murder. How is it that the "humane" killing of animals is not murder? — TheMadFool
So a life gone just for a few seconds (how long do you chew?) of tastebud stimulation? — TheMadFool
The options for livestock is life, reproduce, death or life, death and discontinued existence. The only moral issue is how the livestock are treated while they're alive. Vegetarians would be better off buying meat which was produced with higher ethical standards and supporting the companies that produce it. Life involves reproducing and death and natural death entails pain just as unnatural death does. Lament the living conditions of the animals yes, decrying their "murder" lacks understanding — Judaka
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. — Martin Neimoller
First they came for the fishes, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a fish.
Then they came for the birds, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a bird.
Then they came for the chimpanzees, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a chimpanzee.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. — Martin Neimoller
Is eating meat morally permissible? Why or why not? — darthbarracuda
Vegetarians would be better off buying meat which was produced with higher ethical standards and supporting the companies that produce it. Life involves reproducing and death and natural death entails pain just as unnatural death does. Lament the living conditions of the animals yes, decrying their "murder" lacks understanding. — Judaka
Who's eating wild birds and chimpanzees? Fish are a problem, I actually find the situation very sad and I don't really eat fish besides what's bred in farms. I used the term livestock many times in what you've quoted, the sustainability of livestock is not a problem, don't you worry, we won't have to resort to cannibalism anytime soon. — Judaka
Quality post... would vote post of the year. — Judaka
I currently view my over-use of plastics as a more significant moral harm than my meat eating...but I can admit that both are flaws I should work on (but I just don't, I have tried to analyze myself, is it a type of cognitive dissonance? it feels like my brain understands the problem but my emotions are still undecided - I think I have some sort of hang-up - if the rest of the world is not making sacrifices, why should I? I guess with that attitude we will all go down together :grimace:). — ZhouBoTong
If one immoral act justifies others, where and how do you draw the line? — Artemis
It seems yourself and TheMadFool view morality far more personally than I do. I also seem to be more of a consequentialist. If I am concerned about the morality of meat-eating, it is because I am concerned about the suffering of millions of animals. I am not concerned about my personal 'salvation' or 'enlightenment'. — ZhouBoTong
I don't consider myself an awful person despite acting 'immorally' — ZhouBoTong
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