Also, noted, S, that you have to be that guy calling people with different opinions and diverse ways of going about life and dealing with emotions (that needn't result to "hatred"), on a discussion forum for philosophy "delusional" ... what a way to be. — Swan

I have noted a tendency among certain members of this forum simply to react with agression and thinly-veiled insults to statements with which they disagree that must, somehow, trigger some kind of trauma. This is the bane of human existence: to have to manifest hatred against whatever threatens one's sense of security.

The attempt to feel in control of the situation by venting agression and derision of what someone else states is destined for failure. It's the same situation as staring at a mirror on the wall and asking over and over, who is the most brilliant of all. It's pointless. But those who believe that they hold their world together through an insistence upon their own superiority (shades of Aryanism), and the use of agression and violence do not understand this, which is why they may very well destroy the world.

Yeah, sorry. Some people genuinely have other things to do than feel intense hatred for foreign objects, TV shows and random people they don't even know. If you seriously hate television I suggest getting some therapy; it's only a matter of time before a heart attack via stress takes you, and to be honest, it's not worth it going out over a TV show. — Swan

Okay, sure, I get the general gist of that. That's not controversial. But let's be honest. There's no way you haven't once, in your entire life, hated anyone or anything, even if just for a relatively brief period of time.

But I get it. You're being that gal who feels a need to give a novel answer, and I suppose redefining hatred as something entirely out of reach for the average person is one way of doing that.

“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." — Elie Wiesel

I wonder what Elie Wiesel would tell us the opposite of hate is.

It's the same situation as staring at a mirror on the wall and asking over and over, who is the most brilliant of all. It's pointless. — uncanni

Yes, because I already know the answer. It's me.

Anyway, I have other things to be getting on with. The world isn't going to destroy itself now, is it?

If anything, I'm probably one of the dumbest users here, none of my answers are supposed to be "brilliant", and that bothers that guy that I don't walk around like an armchair pseudo-philosopher calling other's delusional on affairs that don't even concern them. Imagine that. Not surprised at all he calls himself the "brilliant" one. I needn't even have to construct a coherent argument for his own show of stupidity, just merely exist. Self-righteous people usually take the most offense.

Duly noted, but there is nothing "aggressive" about my answers, I just don't go around virtual signalling as some voice of reason or psuedo-philosopher. I guess people with personalities that don't act like zen Buddhist know-it-all's are considered aggressive..? Who knows.

Confusing "disgust" and "hatred" is a common thing; doesn't require a "novel" answer, and pretty sure none of my answers have been "novel".

But since you're the one trying to add complexity to where there isn't any, it's quite evident you're projecting on my answers.

Whatever floats your boat, bud.

Confusing "disgust" and "hatred" is a common thing; doesn't require a "novel" answer, and pretty sure none of my answers have been "novel". — Swan

I'm not confusing disgust and hatred. If I had meant disgust, then I would have used that word instead. And your answer is definitely novel because no one else has answered in the way that you've done.

But since you're the one trying to add complexity to where there isn't any, it's quite evident you're projecting on my answers.

Whatever floats your boat, bud. — Swan

I'm not trying to add complexity. I rarely am. I usually try to do the opposite by simplifying matters. And the simple common sense fact is that everyone has hated at one time or another, except, like, babies and some severely disabled people, and it's very unlikely that you fall under that category. Although...

It's much more likely, as I said, that you're redefining the term to render it largely inapplicable, even though that clashes with common sense and ordinary language use.

Yeah, nothing agressive there at all. Do you define aggressiveness like you define hatred, by any chance?

I'm not confusing disgust and hatred. If I had meant disgust, then I would have used that word instead. — S

Right.

I posit that there are no meaningful distinctions between "hate" and "disgust" via your usage of the words (and the cultural usage of the words); and the attempt to make it seem so is "novel" just for that fact alone.

There is, however, a meaningful distinction between "hatred" and "disgust" (one being a duration of time and intentions (i.e. behaviors) following - which is what I personally only find interesting enough to discuss. Had you pondered that, instead of discussing my character and challenging my self-integrity, my response might be more fruitful, but instead you rather foolishly pound your chest like a gorilla about an answer that doesn't even concern you.

Your personal issue with how I responded is your own business. You are free to think whatever you want, but going around calling others "delusional" just because you don't readily understand or misinterpret something from your own nonsensical feelings doesn't look good.

I'd suggest getting off your high horse.

the simple common sense fact is that everyone has hated at one time or another, except, like, babies and some severely disabled people, and it's very unlikely that you fall under that category. Although... — S

More projection.

What's new, hun?

I posit that there are no meaningful distinctions between "hate" and "disgust" via your usage of the words (and the cultural usage of the words); and the attempt to make it seem so is "novel" just for that fact alone. — Swan

Okay, well posit away, but there is a meaningful distinction. I'm not talking about those, "I hate Brussel sprouts!" moments where there isn't one.

Anyway, it's funny how easily triggered you are. I definitely don't believe that you haven't ever hated anyone. The evidence is against you. If you don't hate me already, I reckon I could get you to hate me in just a short period of time. And you've probably encountered worse than me. There was almost certainly someone in school that you hated. Have you tried being honest with yourself?

I think the hostility is tragic.

I wonder what Elie Wiesel would tell us the opposite of hate is. — JosephS

Genuine concern for other sentient beings?

I think the hostility is tragic. — uncanni

In a good way, though. Right?

Welp, same repetitive underwhelming response (points flying right over your head..) as I expected.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Pretty sure I quoted neither of you first with a problem.

Welp, same repetitive underwhelming response I expected. — Swan

Okay, fine, you're right. You have never hated anyone in your life. Not even that girl you hated at school.

In a good way, though. Right? — S

I tend to see it as a malignent (in the most evil sense of the word) cancer poisoning and rotting humanity. Hostility is like bloody stool: not a good sign.
And this for the last, oh, I dunno, 50 or 60 thousand years? After that, my memory gets too blurry.

Yes, because I already know the answer. It's me. — S

S, how old are you?????

Oh. Well, that doesn't apply to me, anyway. I'm like a most evil malignant cancer poisoning and rotting humanity, but in a good way. No, scratch that: a brilliant way.

S, how old are you????? — uncanni

Twelve.

I wonder what Elie Wiesel would tell us the opposite of hate is. — JosephS

Submission. To the will of an other.

Hatred gets borne from the lack of control. Submission gets borne from the willing giving up of control.

That's what Elie Wiesel would say.

Uncanni, how old are you?

How old is everybody?

Or how old is nobody here?

They both must coexist so I’m going with the yin and yang. When you love something you hate the opposite. For instance you love fast cars because you hate slow cars. You love riding your mx bike because you hate not being active. You love having sexual relationships with girls because you would hate to have a that with a boy. Action words have a spectrum. Zero hate-full hate. So even though you may love something and not hate the opposite you don’t love it enough to have hate. 50:50. 25:75.

You're biased against bias, not immune. So your own statement works against you.

Not a good start.

Uncanni, how old are you? — god must be atheist

15

S - I think a number of forces, especially political ones, encourage us to indulge hatred for their own purposes, I was brought up a Christian Socialist and not so encouraged. The problem with all such discussions, I think, is that it's a bit like discussions about whether we all see the same thing when we describe something as 'red'. Who can tell if we are using the word 'hatred' to mean the same thing? In my family we were all encouraged to laugh at the ridiculous people who behaved badly: it does seem a better bet, but how can we really analyse the starting-point of either?

15 — uncanni

Not 66?

Swann - Agreed. What is amazing to me is that so much of American political discourse nowadays seems to be about people's hating one another. I think it is a willed thing, making serious political discussion impossible by fixing people into positions that suit their masters. The Brexit arguments in the UK are having a very similar effect: sensible people just don't discuss politics any more with anyone they need to get on with. It's pathetic.

There is nothing complex about anger or rage. It's the most primitive knuckle-dragging ape-like thing there is — Swan

All our emotions are knuckle-dragging ape like things. We're social mammals, primates.

Trying to gloss up random hatred as some complex philosophical preponderance of thought is just complicated what it is. — Swan

Just like the other emotions hatred is not a philosophical thing, but given that we have our limibic systems enmeshed with other parts of our minds our emotions are involved with and affected by all sorts of things.

Most people that genuinely feel hatred are behind bars for crimes of passion, — Swan

I really don't think this is true. Most people who are behind bars turned their hatred or some other motivating drive into ACTIONS that society deemed inapporpriate or wrong. Prisoners are much more likely to be people who cannot feel anger without acting it out with violence. But most people feel hatred. They just don't act it out. They may judge the emotion and do all they can to suppress it. Some of these people are passive-aggressive. It is also perfectly normal to hate that which expresses hatred at you, especially if it is not grounded fairly in what you have done, or when violence or extreme disrespect is aimed at you. Or even things like social backstabbing, ongoing disrespect - often bosses are hated, in part because there is no good way for the person disrespected to easily extricate themselves from the dynamic - abuse of power, or when people mistreat people we love. We can also hate organizations or patterns in society

Not 66? — S

That too.

Nothing in my post is saying that nor does that have any relevancy to what I am actually saying. Just stop quoting me period until you learn how to read.